Improbability of the Many-Worlds Interpretation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics, specifically questioning its implications regarding the existence of alternate realities and the potential for advanced civilizations to interact across these worlds. Participants explore theoretical scenarios, the nature of these alternate realities, and the limitations imposed by the interpretation itself.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that if MWI is true, there should exist realities where human civilization advanced significantly faster, leading to potential interactions with other universes, which raises questions about the improbability of MWI.
  • Others clarify that MWI posits that different worlds are causally disconnected, meaning events in one world cannot affect another, which challenges the idea of advanced civilizations contacting other universes.
  • There is a discussion about whether "other universes" are actual places or merely possibilities, with some participants questioning how one could colonize a possibility.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the impossibility of traveling to another universe, suggesting that without proof of their non-existence, the possibility remains open.
  • There is a contention regarding the expectation of all permutations of nature existing in MWI, with differing views on whether certain outcomes, like becoming a president, are guaranteed in alternate worlds.
  • Some participants argue that discussions around MWI often assume that anything conceivable is physically possible, which they believe may be an overly broad assumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of MWI, particularly concerning the nature of alternate realities and the potential for interaction between them. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the interpretations or implications of MWI.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of "worlds" and "possibilities," as well as unresolved questions about what constitutes physical possibility under unitary evolution from initial conditions.

  • #91
Michael Price said:
In the gas in a chamber example, yes, in anyone world if it is likely to occur in ##10^{70}## years then it occurs in some worlds splitting off right now.

Although it may or may not be relevant to the debate, if we are talking about the probability that all the air molecules in a room occupy one half of the room for a second, then the probability is more of the order of once every ##2^{10^{28}}## seconds, as an absolute maximum.

The other question is whether the split is into a) a large but finite number of worlds; b) a countable infinity of worlds; c) an uncountable infinity of worlds (which would be consistent with position being a continuous variable).

On the face of it a) implies that there are only finitely many possibilities, which undermines (in my view) the claim that "everything happens".

And, b) and c) may run into issues in mapping the mathematics to a verifiable reality. See above and compare a mathematical idea like Hilbert's Hotel with an infinitely splitting set of worlds.
 
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  • #92
PeroK said:
Although it may or may not be relevant to the debate, if we are talking about the probability that all the air molecules in a room occupy one half of the room for a second, then the probability is more of the order of once every ##2^{10^{28}}## seconds, as an absolute maximum.

The other question is whether the split is into a) a large but finite number of worlds; b) a countable infinity of worlds; c) an uncountable infinity of worlds (which would be consistent with position being a continuous variable).

On the face of it a) implies that there are only finitely many possibilities, which undermines (in my view) the claim that "everything happens".

And, b) and c) may run into issues in mapping the mathematics to a verifiable reality. See above and compare a mathematical idea like Hilbert's Hotel with an infinitely splitting set of worlds.
Everett's position was c), expressed at a conference, 1962, at Xavier University.
 
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  • #93
Michael Price said:
In the gas in a chamber example, yes, in anyone world if it is likely to occur in ##10^{70}## years then it occurs in some worlds splitting off right now.

Only if you allow the possibility of this happening by a fantastically improbable quantum fluctuation, which, as I have already argued, makes the MWI undermine itself.
 
  • #94
PeterDonis said:
Only if you allow the possibility of this happening by a fantastically improbable quantum fluctuation, which, as I have already argued, makes the MWI undermine itself.
I responded to that argument but it got incomprehensibly moderated out.
 
  • #95
Michael Price said:
I responded to that argument but it got incomprehensibly moderated out.

That's because the moderators did not consider it an actual response but something approaching a troll. As far as further discussion in this thread is concerned, we'll just need to consider that subtopic closed.
 

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