Impulse - Initial velocity of bullet

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The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem involving the initial velocity of a bullet that passes through one block and becomes embedded in another. The problem requires the application of concepts such as impulse, work-energy theorem, and conservation of momentum, with a focus on determining the initial speed of the bullet.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to start the problem, mentioning difficulties with the impulse principle due to unknowns in time, force, and velocity.
  • Another participant suggests that the work-energy theorem should be applicable and asks for the results obtained from it.
  • A participant reports using the work-energy theorem and finds a velocity for the second block, but expresses doubt about the correctness of their results, particularly regarding the initial velocity of the bullet.
  • Another participant points out that the coefficient of friction was not considered in the work done calculation and recommends a specific order of operations for solving the problem, emphasizing the need to apply the work-energy theorem twice and then use conservation of momentum for the collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach or results. There are multiple competing views on how to apply the work-energy theorem and conservation of momentum, and uncertainty remains regarding the calculations and assumptions made.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering the coefficient of friction in the calculations, which may affect the work done on the blocks. There is also mention of potential errors in the application of the work-energy theorem and conservation of momentum, but no specific resolutions are provided.

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1. Homework Statement [/b]

Bullet B weighs 0.5 oz and blocks A and C both weigh 3 lb. The coeffient of friction between the block and the plane is [tex]\mu[/tex]k = .25. Initially the bullet is moving at v0 and blocks A and B are at rest. After the bullet passes through A it becomes embedded in block C and all three objects come to stop in the position shown. Determine the initial speed of the bullet v0.

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mv1 + Imp(1 [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] 2) = mv2

Imp(1 [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] 2) = int[F(t)dt]

U(1 --> 2) = T2 - T1 where T is kinetic energy and U is potential energy

U(1-->2) = int[F.dr]

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not really sure where to actually start with the problem besides starting from the second block. I tried using the impulse priniciple but that gives me an unknown time, force, and velocity and I'm not sure if the force would just be the fictional force. I also tried appying the work energy theorem but I'm not confident of that being useful here and it ended up giving me a huge velocity.

Thanks to anybody that is willing to helps me.
 
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Hi xicor! :smile:
xicor said:
… I also tried appying the work energy theorem but I'm not confident of that being useful here and it ended up giving me a huge velocity.

That should do fine :smile: … the work done should give you the initial speed of each block.

What did you get?​
 
Alright I used the work energy theorem on the second block and got v1^2 = [tex]\sqrt{(2/3 )(32.2)}[/tex] --> v1/ =4.633 ft/s which I'm not sure is right but it seems to be. After that I than tried to find the speed of the bullet between the two blocks by conservation of momentum(m1v1 =m2v2) nd found the v = 449.4 ft/s. Once I found this value I used the W.E.T on the first block where T1 is the kinetic energy of the block when hit by the bullet and T2 is the kinetic energy of the bullet after going through the block. From W.E.T I get the initial velocity of the first block to be 45.5 ft/s which seems way to big and using linear momentum again I get the initial velocity of the bullet as 4413.6 ft/s which is way to big a velocity in the problem.

I don't know where I'm going wrong here.
 
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Hi xicor! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)

No, you haven't used µ = 0.25 in finding the work done on the block. :redface:

Try the problem in this order:

i] use the work-energy theorem (twice!) to find the initial speed of both blocks

ii] then write out the two separate conservation of momentum equations for the two separate collisions :smile:
 

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