In dealing with trigonometric substitution and integration

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The discussion revolves around the application of trigonometric substitution in the context of integration, specifically focusing on how to convert the limits of integration when substituting variables. The original integral is defined from the bounds of sqrt(2) to 2.

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  • Participants discuss the substitution x = sec(θ) and express confusion about how the limits of integration change from sqrt(2) and 2 to π/4 and π/3. There are inquiries into the reasoning behind these conversions and the general method for deriving such points.

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Some participants are seeking clarification on the conversion of limits during trigonometric substitution, while others are attempting to understand the underlying trigonometric principles involved. There is a recognition of the need for foundational knowledge in trigonometry as it applies to calculus.

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Participants mention a lack of familiarity with basic trigonometric concepts that are being applied in the context of calculus, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that may affect their understanding of the problem.

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Here's the equation:

∫(sqrt(2),2) (1/(x^3*sqrt(x^2 - 1))

I have the entire indefinite integral worked down to this (using x = a*secø):

ø/2 + 1/4 * sin2ø

Now I have the answer book, so I know that's right so far. What I don't understand is how it converted the points of the integral. Where we started with the integral from sqrt(2),2. The book is telling me that the points now being worked with are pi/4, pi/3.

How did we go from sqrt(2), 2 to pi/4, pi/3 ? I don't understand where that came from. Beyond that, how do I derive those points in general? I'm the first to admit that anything involving trig is by and far my weakest aspect of calculus.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Try [tex]x=\sec\theta[/tex]
 
My problem is that I really don't know how they went from 2 to pi/3 and √2 to pi/3. I'm well aware of what substitution I needed to use. I have no idea what sec(ø) does to help answer this.

This is probably basic trig, but I'm finding that there are a lot of things in basic trig that I never learned that are now being applied in Calculus 2.
 
Badgerspin said:
Here's the equation:

∫(sqrt(2),2) (1/(x^3*sqrt(x^2 - 1))
Your notation is a bit on the inscrutable side, but this is what I think you're working with.
[tex]\int_{\sqrt{2}}^2 \frac{dx}{x^3 \sqrt{x^2 - 1}}[/tex]

The limits of integration are sqrt(2) and 2.
Badgerspin said:
I have the entire indefinite integral worked down to this (using x = a*secø):

ø/2 + 1/4 * sin2ø

Now I have the answer book, so I know that's right so far. What I don't understand is how it converted the points of the integral. Where we started with the integral from sqrt(2),2. The book is telling me that the points now being worked with are pi/4, pi/3.

How did we go from sqrt(2), 2 to pi/4, pi/3 ? I don't understand where that came from. Beyond that, how do I derive those points in general? I'm the first to admit that anything involving trig is by and far my weakest aspect of calculus.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you make a substitution, including a trig substitution, in a definite integral, you can skip the step of undoing the substitution by changing the limits of integration.

With the substitution x = sec(theta), if x = sqrt(2), then theta = pi/4. If x = 2, then theta = pi/3. As a check, cos(pi/4) = sqrt(2)/2 = 1/sqrt(2) ==> sec(pi/4) = sqrt(2). Also, cos(pi/3) = 1/2 ==> sec(pi/3) = 2.
 

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