Increase N in Optical Fiber: Effects on Speed of Light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of increasing the index of refraction (n) in optical fibers, specifically focusing on the implications for optical distance and the speed of light within the medium. Participants explore theoretical and conceptual aspects related to light propagation in different media.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why increasing n in an optical fiber results in a larger optical distance, suggesting a need for clarification on the concept of optical path length.
  • Another participant explains that optical path length is defined as the actual length multiplied by the index of refraction, which helps analyze interference in light passing through different media.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the index of refraction and the speed of light, with a participant noting that as n increases, the speed of light in the medium decreases, and they seek a deeper understanding of this phenomenon.
  • A later reply introduces a classical perspective on how light interacts with electrons in the medium, suggesting that absorption and re-radiation by electrons affect the phase velocity of light.
  • The same participant acknowledges a lack of expertise in quantum electrodynamics, indicating a potential gap in the discussion regarding quantum explanations for the observed effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on the concepts discussed. There is no consensus on the best way to explain the relationship between n and the speed of light, nor on the adequacy of classical versus quantum explanations.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the interaction of light with matter and the definitions of optical path length may not be fully articulated, leading to potential gaps in understanding. The discussion also reflects a mix of classical and quantum perspectives that remain unresolved.

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Hi do u know if we increase the n in an optical fiber why the optical distance becomes bigger?

Now only this but why when we increase n the light goes slower and slower... How can we prove that? I know that n=c/u but still i need more explanation
 
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Can u please help me with that?
 
Showing u=-c/n usually takes several pages in an EM physics text.
You will just have to read some physics.
 
dervast said:
Hi do u know if we increase the n in an optical fiber why the optical distance becomes bigger?

(I assume by "optical distance" you mean what English-language physics textbooks call the "optical path length".) It's because we define optical path length to equal the actual length times the index of refraction (n). We define it this way so that equal optical path lengths always contain equal numbers of wavelengths for the same frequency. This makes it easier to analyze interference in situations where light passes through different media with different n's.

The wavelength of light in a medium varies directly with n. The frequency stays the same while the speed varies inversely with n, which leads to your next question...

Now only this but why when we increase n the light goes slower and slower... How can we prove that?

You have to analyze carefully the way the light interacts with electrons in the medium. Very broadly speaking, some of the incoming light is absorbed by electrons in the medium. The electrons radiate new light. The remaining incoming light and the new radiated light interfere in such a way that the resultant wave in the medium has a different phase velocity from the incoming light.

The above is the classical picture, in terms of classical electromagnetic waves. If you want a quantum-mechanical picture using photons, I'll let someone else try. I don't know enough quantum electrodynamics.
 
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