Independent Current Source In Series With Resistor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around writing the Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) equation for a circuit containing an independent current source in series with a resistor. Participants explore the correct approach to formulating the KVL equation, considering the roles of the voltage across the resistor and the current source.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to write the voltages across the resistor and the current source separately in the KVL equation or to apply Ohm's law directly.
  • Another participant suggests that the series resistor is irrelevant to the overall current output of the circuit, proposing that the current source alone defines the current flowing through the circuit.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of clearly indicating voltage arrows across components before forming KVL equations, noting that the direction of the voltage arrow affects the sign in the equation.
  • One participant confirms that their KVL equation, -Vx + Vy + Vz = 0, appears to be correct based on their analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the series resistor in the circuit and the approach to writing the KVL equation. There is no consensus on the best method to formulate the KVL equation or the role of the resistor.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the implications of the series resistor on the KVL equation, and there are assumptions about the circuit configuration that remain unaddressed.

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Homework Statement


Write the KVL Equation for the outer loop

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The question above is a sample I have made for such a condition. The goal is not to find the value, but only write the correct equation. If an independent current source is connected in series with a resistor, should I write the voltages across the resistor and the current source separately in the KVL equation or should I simply apply Ohms law V=IR and write the result in the KVL equation?
The first equation that I have made is -Vx+Vy+Vz=0. The other equation that I have made is 4(2)+Vz=0, where 4(2) is the resistance of the resistor multiplied by the current of the independent current source. Which one of these is the right one?
 
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All in all, this is an EXTREMELY silly circuit from a practical point of view but does demonstrate some interesting things.

As far as the rest of the circuit is concerned, the series resistor is irrelevant and can be just as easily removed from the circuit. Take the current source and the series resistor and draw a box around them. What comes out of the box is 4amps, regardless of whether or not there is a series resistor in the box. That is, the box is just a 4 amp current source, just like the 4 amp source was before you drew the box.

Now, if you DO want to look at the current source and the resistor and make the rest of the circuit a black box, then the voltage across the current source becomes a function of both the resistor and what's in the black box. The resistor will drop 8 volts and then the voltage across the current source is 8 volts less than whatever the voltage drop is across the rest of the circuit.

In this case you have a specific "rest of the circuit" that includes a resistor in parallel with a voltage source. Like the resistor that is in series with the current source, this resistor is irrelevant to the rest of the circuit. It has Vz volts across it. Period. If you want to figure out the current through the voltage source then you DO have consider the resistor because it sinks some of the current provided by the rest of the circuit and the voltage source has to sink the rest.
 
Write the KVL Equation for the outer loop
I like to see voltage arrows across components before forming or confirming KVL equations.

The voltage arrow belonging across both sources is apparent from the + and - signs on each, though nevertheless it is still helpful to draw in each arrow. How you draw the arrow for Vy determines the sign it has in the KVL equation. It is not always going to be "obvious" which way the voltage arrow should point.

The first equation that I have made is -Vx+Vy+Vz=0.
That looks like it's right.
 
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