News Indonesia Playing Politics With Tsunami Relief

[Gonzolo]

Bush's logic for Iraq has little if anything, to do with this. Good things get done ... sometimes, despite Bush.

Among other things, what Bush's logic did was to give US forces a bad reputation, so it isn't surprising that some countries aren't interested in associating themselves to them.

 

[PerennialII]

So it did, but there is a time and place for politics, this arguably ain't one of them.

 

[Gonzolo]

Tsunami or not, Indonesia remains sovereign of its land.

 

[Gokul43201]

But what about the arms negotiations then ? Isn't this suggestive of untimely political maneuvring ?

 

[kaos]

I just wish to say ( froam an asians perspective)that i am very impressed by the efforts of the americans and europeans people.I myself am very fortunate not to experience the disaster but i disagree with criticsm of the US relief effort. The US uses military ships not for military reasons in this case but because the US navy is the biggest in the world and is well equiped for this disaster.

I also wish to say that most asians(that are not affected) are probably apathetic to the plights of the affected and that "outsiders" are doing more to help.

 

[Curious3141]

Few months ago those same US helicopters we saw distributing food to Indonesians were spraying bullets and bombs on civilians in Iraq. Any selfrespecting and muslim nation may I add would not allow killers of their brothers to stay on their soil for too long.

I'm constantly amazed by people who think along these lines. May I ask exactly what other rich Muslim countries have done to help their brothers in dire need ?

I'll tell you.

Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the richest nations in the Islamic world, donated a paltry $10 million each. The United Arab Emirates donated some $20 million for their Islamic brothers.

Egypt's contribution is $104,000.00. Egypt gets $2 BILLION in US foreign aid annually.

Contrast this to private, "capitalist", "Christian" companies' contributions :

Pfizer donated $10 million in cash and $25 million in drugs. (That’s more than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and Kuwait combined). General Motors pledged $2 million in cash, agreed to match employee donations dollar for dollar, and is sending vehicles to transport food and medical supplies.

If you think the world should be divided along religious lines, even at the time of an unmitigated tragedy like this, I feel sorry for you.

 

[tumor]

Americans,Canadians are just talking but they usualy don't do walking.

 

[Hurkyl]

Er, did you read anything that was said?

 

[Curious3141]

Er, did you read anything that was said?

I think he "just talking he don't do reading".

 

[revelator]

tumor: [n] an abnormal new mass of tissue that serves no purpose

Taken from http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/tumor.

 

[kawikdx225]

tumor: [n] an abnormal new mass of tissue that serves no purpose

Taken from http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/tumor.

Thats funny!

 

[Locrian]

I think he "just talking he don't do reading".

Very funny.

 

[tumor]

Er, did you read anything that was said?

Yes I did, do you have anything interessting to say about OP ?.If yes then say it but don't play smartass . Seams, you just visited this thread to make funn of me.

 

[tumor]

tumor: [n] an abnormal new mass of tissue that serves no purpose

Taken from http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/tumor.

What that suppose to mean ? I can make funn of your name but I won't ,I'm not as childish as you are.Go back to your comics kid !

 

[Smurf]

revelator: [n] One who reveals, especially one who reveals divine will.
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It's just not as funny as when he did it to you tumor. Sorry

 

[Polly]

How about relevator is the younger brother of elevator and a distant relative of alligator?

 

[Locrian]

Yes I did, do you have anything interessting to say about OP ?.If yes then say it but don't play smartass . Seams, you just visited this thread to make funn of me.

And it seems you just visited this thread to make obnoxious and sometimes personal comments, all the while butchering grammar to an extent you are barely legible.

Of course, sometimes things aren't as they seem. But then, sometimes they are.

 

[Polly]

Okay guys, I am sorry, my fault, I shouldn't be fanning it.

This is what I think, Tumor criticises a lot, but only in a generic way, Canadians, Americans, the modern western culture etc. The bottom line is he does not get personal. So I would think none of us should be so small as to take offence. I wouldn't be upset if he says all Chinks are pigs, I will when and only when he calls me a pig.

Please could all of us cool down? The last thing the world needs any more is e-war.

 

[Locrian]

The bottom line is he does not get personal.

Yes, he does, he did in this thread. Doesn't bother me, but I think its a shame we won't get to respond in kind.

 

[tumor]

And it seems you just visited this thread to make obnoxious and sometimes personal comments, all the while butchering grammar to an extent you are barely legible.

Of course, sometimes things aren't as they seem. But then, sometimes they are.

Did I say something to you that you find offensive or maybe you are new moderator ?

 

[revelator]

Perhaps your insinuation this his father is an ignorant bigot?

I know what you old man will say, simply: Indonesian moslems bad and evil, americans the best people in the world.

Most people take jabs at their family rather personally you know. I'll use that as an example of a post that serves no purpose.

What that suppose to mean ? I can make funn of your name but I won't ,I'm not as childish as you are.Go back to your comics kid !

I wasn't making fun of your name, I was making fun of your habit of making useless posts. It's not my fault your handle, reflects your posting.

 

[Locrian]

Did I say something to you that you find offensive or maybe you are new moderator ?

Do you know what that means or maybe you need to reread your posts ?

 

[russ_watters]

Trying to get this back on topic, I just read THIS

Not enough transportation
Augstburger said that despite a huge international relief operation involving military forces from a number of countries, there were still not enough helicopters and boats available to deliver the needed aid.

He said if that didn’t happen, things could become “very serious” in outlying areas.

“The food is here. We have to deliver the food. Stocks are being piled here (in Meulaboh),” he said.

Officials say one problem is the need for repeated air drops in the same area. With many villages completely wiped out, and others coping with an influx of refugees, a constant schedule of aid deliveries needs to be established to keep people supplied.

So there should be no question that what is needed is for Indonesia to allow the US military to set-up operations in such a way as to enable them to function at peak efficiency instead of forcing them to comply with destructive, politically motivated rules. People are starving and the government is more worried about fighter jets circling around miles off the coast than they are about getting the helicopters they need.

 

[tumor]

I wasn't making fun of your name, I was making fun of your habit of making useless posts.

So are yours, Brain !

 

[tumor]

Do you know what that means or maybe you need to reread your posts ?

Kid,you too better go play with your dolls.

 

[russ_watters]

One final thought before this thread is locked:

I was thinking today that I may have missed the real reason for not wanting US Navy ships off the coast of Indonesia. The Indonesian government may not want their citizens to see them. It could be another form of propaganda - they don't want their people to see the enormity of the US aid and have a favorable opinion of us.

 

[tumor]

Now you talking BS my friend.
Sorry but I had to tell you that.

 

[tumor]

One more thing, guess who gives more to the poor nations,Sweden, Denmark,Netherlands, and almost all of Europe,0.7 % out of their GDP.
" Compassionate " Canada and USA gives 0.23 %.

 

[Evo]

This thread is continuing to spiral downhill.