Induction Heating Process Characterization

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The discussion revolves around the characterization of the induction heating process for an irregularly shaped stainless steel die used in bonding applications. Participants explore the effects of eddy currents, skin effect, and material choices on heat generation and distribution within the die, particularly focusing on an indented area that requires heating.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the generation of eddy currents in the indented area of the die, questioning whether the peripheral surface might prevent effective heating in that region.
  • Another participant explains the induction law and suggests that while eddy currents will be generated in the indented area, the highest temperatures are likely to occur at the periphery due to the nature of the induced currents.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of splitting the die for removal after bonding, which limits the design options.
  • One participant notes that the PTFE clamshell holding the die halves may act as a heat sink, reducing the heat generated in the indented area and suggests that changing the material or exposing the die more could help.
  • Another participant proposes using a ceramic material for the clamshell, citing its insulating properties, and mentions the potential use of plaster of Paris for mockups, though with caution regarding safety.
  • Further suggestions include using insulative epoxy compounds and considerations about the thermal conductivity of PTFE compared to ceramics and air.
  • A participant raises a concern about the tolerance between the die halves and the structure they clamp onto, suggesting that insufficient pressure could limit electrical contact and affect eddy current paths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effectiveness of the current setup and materials, with no clear consensus on the best approach to optimize heating in the indented area of the die. Multiple competing ideas regarding material choices and design adjustments remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the influence of thermal conductivity and the geometry of the die on heat distribution, but specific assumptions about material properties and experimental conditions are not fully detailed. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the impact of the PTFE clamshell on heat generation.

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Hi All,

I'm working on a process involving induction heating. I'm heating up an irregular shape ss die to make a bond. My dilemma is in my understanding of where the eddy currents will be that generate the heat (based on skin effect). The clam shell die is pictured below. The right hand image is the orientation that the die will be in, centered in the coil. The interface of the clamshell halves does not seem to impact the heat profile as compared to a one-piece die. I'm concerned with skin effect- the indentation is where I need heat to be generated. Will eddy currents be generated on this surface and therefore heat the "internal surface"? Or does the peripheral surface prevent the current from generating current in the indented area and the heat observed is from dissipation from the outer surface heating? This is time sensitive so any and all answers are appreciated. Thanks in advanced!

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Let's look at the induction law:

$$ ∫E⋅dl=-∫∫\frac{∂B}{∂t}⋅dA$$

The first part is an integral around some loop and the second part is a double integral on the surface created by that loop.

Draw any circle on the surface of the indented part. If you apply flux to the surface of that circle then there will be an induced field and current. So yes, it will heat up. However, notice that the right side of the equation depends on the flux captured by an area. The calculated current will be higher when that area is bigger so the currents will be stronger as you move outward. In other words the highest temperatures are going to be on the periphery of your die.

Do you have to split your die? Could you use a spiral heater like a stove top burner? That would give you better control.
 
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Engineer16 said:
I'm heating up an irregular shape ss die to make a bond.

What temperature is required ?
 
Nidum said:
What temperature is required ?
Minimum temp is 160.
 
Aaron Crowl said:
Let's look at the induction law:

$$ ∫E⋅dl=-∫∫\frac{∂B}{∂t}⋅dA$$

The first part is an integral around some loop and the second part is a double integral on the surface created by that loop.

Draw any circle on the surface of the indented part. If you apply flux to the surface of that circle then there will be an induced field and current. So yes, it will heat up. However, notice that the right side of the equation depends on the flux captured by an area. The calculated current will be higher when that area is bigger so the currents will be stronger as you move outward. In other words the highest temperatures are going to be on the periphery of your die.

Do you have to split your die? Could you use a spiral heater like a stove top burner? That would give you better control.

Thank you Aaron, this helps a lot! Unfortunately the die must be split in order to remove it from the system once the bond is made, and we are constrained to the current orientation due to other processes on the same machine.

Another problem the I'm running into is that the halves of the die are held together by a PTFE clamshell (slip fit). It is embedded so that only the indented portion is exposed. Prior to fabricating the die in two pieces I had tested a single die and it created sufficient reflow for the bond (no PTFE holder). I've done an experiment where I know the PTFE reduces the amount of heat generated. I believe it is acting as a heat sink, which would be in line with your equation and statement- that the periphery generates more heat. I'm thinking that the PTFE sucks the heat out of it, preventing the indented surface from heating due to the radiant heat from the periphery. I'm wondering if exposing the die so that it is not fully embedded, or changing the PTFE for a different material may help. Do you have any thoughts on that?
 
Could you try something ceramic for the clam shell? It's a great insulator so in theory it will help trap the heat in the die. The heat will flow from high to low on your die and the temperature will become more uniform.

Edit: You could make a mockup out of plaster of Paris. People make do-it-yourself crucibles with it. However, my quick research says that plaster of Paris emits toxic fumes under extreme heat. I can't find any good data on safe operating conditions for plaster so don't take that route without some research. I don't think your temp would count as extreme but I'm not confident enough to say it's safe. Anyway, a fired ceramic would surely be safer and stronger than plaster.
 
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Ahh, here you go. Insulative epoxy compounds used by Nasa. The potting compound (link here) looks like it will do the job for you. That compound can be cast 2 to 3 inches thick and you can do it all at room temperature.
 
I got back from a job and I looked up some stats. It turns out that PTFE has a lower thermal conductivity than ceramics. Air has a lower conductivity than PTFE. You may be better off suspending the die.

Also, one last thing. How close is the tolerance of the inside of your die to whatever structure it clamps on to? Maybe the whole root of the problem is that the two halves are not pressed together hard enough. That would prevent a good electrical contact. If that's the case then you are limiting the path of the eddy currents you desire.
 

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