Induction Machines: Torque Speed Characteristics & Benefits

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The discussion focuses on the torque-speed characteristics of induction machines, specifically comparing "constant frequency variable voltage supply" and "variable frequency variable voltage supply." Participants explore the implications of these characteristics and the advantages of constant volts per hertz control.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for a "constant frequency variable voltage supply," the torque-speed curves form a family of curves for each voltage level, with torque proportional to the square of the voltage.
  • Another participant explains that for a "variable frequency variable voltage supply," torque remains a function of slip, and as frequency decreases, voltage must also decrease, leading to a re-plotting of torque-speed curves that become shorter and shift left.
  • A participant highlights that constant volts per hertz control is important as it protects the iron from overflux, which could lead to damage, and maintains constant flux across varying frequencies.
  • Discussion includes the significance of rotor resistance and how motor design can influence performance, particularly in relation to flux and slip.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and insight into the torque-speed characteristics and control methods, but no consensus is reached on the implications of these characteristics or the best practices for implementation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of motor parameters, such as rotor resistance, and suggest that practical experience in a motor lab could enhance understanding, indicating that theoretical knowledge may not be sufficient without practical application.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and professionals in electrical engineering, particularly those interested in motor control and induction machine characteristics.

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hello really need some help

i would like to know

how would the torque speed characteristic for a "constant frequency variable voltage supply" and 'variable frequency variable voltage supply"? the change on the torque speed graph.

what is the advantage of achieving a 'constant volts per herts' control??

hope to hear from you soon ...

is not homework at all..
 
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billy fok said:
how would the torque speed characteristic for a "constant frequency variable voltage supply"

You get a family of curves, one for each voltage.
They retain similar shape but torque is in proportion to square of voltage
ie at 90% volts you get 81% torque

billy fok said:
'variable frequency variable voltage supply"?
Torque will still be a function of slip
and at lower frequency you'll have to have lower voltage
so you'll have to re-plot your torque-speed curves to reflect both the new lower synchronous speed and reduced voltage

so the curve will get less tall and squeeze to left as frequency decreases.
billy fok said:
what is the advantage of achieving a 'constant volts per herts' control??

You do remember that volts is n dΦ/dt,
which means flux Φ is in proportion to ∫volts dt ?

At lower frequency your period of integration is longer, so flux is larger.
Volts per hertz control protects the iron against overflux, which could melt it.
Constant volts/hz gives constant flux.
 
really thanks the reply.. i see light already
 
Thanks for the kind words,

a good motors textbook will have formulas
but of course one needs motor parameters
rotor resistance is a major player
and designers play tricks with rotor bar shape to make that a function of flux and slip.
With a wound rotor motor you can play your own external tricks

if you're in school see if your EE dep't has a motor lab you could take. That proved to be one of my mot valuable courses.

thanks again -

old jim
 

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