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The discussion focuses on understanding the induction proof related to the equation (5^n - 1)/4, specifically addressing confusion about the correct form of the equation when transitioning from n to n+1. It clarifies that stating "4 divides 5^n - 1" implies that (5^n - 1)/4 is an integer, represented as k. The participants emphasize the importance of correctly applying algebraic manipulation, particularly using the relationship 5^(n+1) = 5(5^n) to simplify expressions. The confusion around the additional term "(n+1)" is addressed, confirming that it should not be included in the induction step. Overall, the conversation aims to solidify the understanding of the induction process and the necessary algebraic steps involved.
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I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
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Saying that "4 divides 5^n- 1 is NOT just a "reference" to \frac{5^n- 1}{4}! It is the statement that \frac{5^n- 1}{4} is an integer. That is, \frac{5^n- 1}{4}= k for some integer k. Further the "n+1" form of the formula is not \frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}+ (n+1). I don't where you got that additional "(n+1)"! Replacing n by n+1 in \frac{5^{n}- 1}{4} is just \frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}.

Now, of course, you want to "algebraically" go back to the "5^n" and to do that use the fact that 5^{n+1}= 5(5^n).
It will be helpful to use 5(5^n)- 1= 5(5^n)- 5+ 4.
 
Kingyou123 said:

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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
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You can write 5n+1 as 5 * 5n, and 5n+1 - 1 = 5 * 5n -5 +4 = 5(5n-1) + 4.
 
ehild said:
You can write 5n+1 as 5 * 5n, and 5n+1 - 1 = 5 * 5n -5 +4 = 5(5n-1) + 4.
Sorry, I just noticed this but should my equation be 4 l 5^n-1 or is what have okay?
 
Yes. As 5n-1 is divisible by 4 , the first therm of 5(5n-1) + 4 is divisible by 4, and the second term is just 4.
 
"4 l 5^n-1" is NOT even an equation!
 
Okay sorry, I'm a bit confused now. So (5^(n)-1)/4 is correct, right ? And would I follow what my prof. did, so I set my work for n+1 to 5(5n-1) + 4 or is that the induction step?
 
ehild said:
Yes. As 5n-1 is divisible by 4 , the first therm of 5(5n-1) + 4 is divisible by 4, and the second term is just 4.

HallsofIvy said:
"4 l 5^n-1" is NOT even an equation!
Sorry, I just refreshed my page and your comment appeared, thank you for the help :)
 
HallsofIvy said:
Saying that "4 divides 5^n- 1 is NOT just a "reference" to \frac{5^n- 1}{4}! It is the statement that \frac{5^n- 1}{4} is an integer. That is, \frac{5^n- 1}{4}= k for some integer k. Further the "n+1" form of the formula is not \frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}+ (n+1). I don't where you got that additional "(n+1)"! Replacing n by n+1 in \frac{5^{n}- 1}{4} is just \frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}.

Now, of course, you want to "algebraically" go back to the "5^n" and to do that use the fact that 5^{n+1}= 5(5^n).
It will be helpful to use 5(5^n)- 1= 5(5^n)- 5+ 4.

Kingyou123 said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Prof. Note's. View attachment 95431

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
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I think that you have to go from the fact that if (5^n)-1 is divisible by 4 then (5^n)-1=4k where k is a constant. Now, how can you apply this to 5((5^n)-1)+4?. Think of substitution
 
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