Inequality from a continuity exercise

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This discussion revolves around the continuity of the function ##f(x)=5x+3## as presented in Courant's book. Participants explore the implications of the inequality ##|x-x_0| \leq |y-y_0|/5## and its relation to the continuity proof, questioning the author's phrasing and clarity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the inequality ##|x-x_0| \leq |y-y_0|/5## and questions how it follows from the continuity definition.
  • Another participant suggests that the continuity proof is straightforward and implies that the original poster may be misunderstanding the author's intent.
  • Several participants clarify that the equality ##|x-x_0| = |y-y_0|/5## holds, which complicates the interpretation of the author's statement about "sufficiently small" values.
  • One participant emphasizes that the continuity of ##f## can be shown without relying on the author's phrasing, indicating that the proof is valid as long as ##|f(x)-f(x_0)| < \epsilon## is satisfied.
  • Another participant points out that the inequality in question is always true, as it is an equality, and suggests that the author may have been unclear in their explanation.
  • Frustration is expressed regarding the difficulty of discerning potential errors in the author's text, reflecting a lack of confidence in personal judgment about the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the clarity of the author's statement regarding the inequality. While some find the author's phrasing confusing, others believe the continuity proof itself is clear and valid.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the author's wording may lead to misunderstandings, particularly regarding the relationship between ##|x-x_0|## and ##|y-y_0|##. There is also mention of potential errors in the author's text, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying continuity in mathematical analysis, particularly those grappling with the nuances of epsilon-delta proofs and the interpretation of mathematical texts.

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I am reading from Courant's book. He gave an example of the continuity of ##f(x)=5x+3## by finding ##\delta=\epsilon/5##. He then said that ##|x-x_0|## does not exceed ##|y-y_0|/5##, but I don't see how he came up with this inequality.
I know that ##|x-x_0|<\epsilon/5##, and that ##|y-y_0|<\epsilon\Leftrightarrow|y-y_0|/5<\epsilon/5##, but I don't think that that suffices to conclude ##|x-x_0|\leq|y-y_0|/5##.
... indeed ##|x-x_0|## is sufficiently small if it does not exceed one-fifth of the value of ##|y-y_0|##.
Any thoughts? Thanks.
 
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GodfreyHW said:
I am reading from Courant's book. He gave an example of the continuity of ##f(x)=5x+3## by finding ##\delta=\epsilon/5##. He then said that ##|x-x_0|## does not exceed ##|y-y_0|/5##, but I don't see how he came up with this inequality.
I know that ##|x-x_0|<\epsilon/5##, and that ##|y-y_0|<\epsilon\Leftrightarrow|y-y_0|/5<\epsilon/5##, but I don't think that that suffices to conclude ##|x-x_0|\leq|y-y_0|/5##.

Any thoughts? Thanks.
I'm not sure what you are doing here. Can you check what you have written, as it looks confused?

What you want to show is that ##|x - x_0| < \epsilon/5 \ \Rightarrow \ |f(x) - f(x_0)| < \epsilon##. And, given the linearity of ##f## that looks like straightforward?
 
It is unclear from your post what ##y_0## is. I'm guessing you want to show that ##f## is continuous at ##x_0## and ##f(x_0) = y_0##?
 
@PeroK @Math_QED no, I don't want to prove ##f##'s continuity, rather I wanted to verify the author's claim that:
... indeed ##|x-x_0|## is sufficiently small if it does not exceed one-fifth of the value of ##|y-y_0|##.
I can see that ##|x-x_0|=|y-y_0|/5##, and this makes the phrase "is sufficiently small if it does not exceed" a bit confusing. The equality always hold, no matter how small is ##|x-x_0|##, so the only way I could make sense of this is if the author is trying to say that ##|x-x_0|\leq|y-y_0|/5## is true for ##f## to be continuous.
 
GodfreyHW said:
@PeroK @Math_QED no, I don't want to prove ##f##'s continuity, rather I wanted to verify the author's claim that:

I can see that ##|x-x_0|=|y-y_0|/5##, and this makes the phrase "is sufficiently small if it does not exceed" a bit confusing. The equality always hold, no matter how small is ##|x-x_0|##, so the only way I could make sense of this is if the author is trying to say that ##|x-x_0|\leq|y-y_0|/5## is true for ##f## to be continuous.

Perhaps he hasn't phrased it very well. If you forget what the author says, can you see for yourself how the continuity of ##f## is proved?
 
GodfreyHW said:
@PeroK @Math_QED no, I don't want to prove ##f##'s continuity, rather I wanted to verify the author's claim that:

I can see that ##|x-x_0|=|y-y_0|/5##, and this makes the phrase "is sufficiently small if it does not exceed" a bit confusing. The equality always hold, no matter how small is ##|x-x_0|##, so the only way I could make sense of this is if the author is trying to say that ##|x-x_0|\leq|y-y_0|/5## is true for ##f## to be continuous.

$$|x-x_0| <\delta \implies |y-y_0| = |f(x)-f(x_0)| = |5x+3-(5x_0+3)| = 5|x-x_0|< 5\delta$$

This suggest taking ##\delta = \epsilon/5## in an ##\epsilon-\delta## proof.
 
PeroK said:
Perhaps he hasn't phrased it very well. If you forget what the author says, can you see for yourself how the continuity of ##f## is proved?
Yes, I do. ##|f(x)-f(x_0)|=5|x-x_0|<\epsilon##, and so we have ##\delta=\epsilon/5##.
Math_QED said:
$$|x-x_0| <\delta \implies |y-y_0| = |f(x)-f(x_0)| = |5x+3-(5x_0+3)| = 5|x-x_0|< 5\delta$$

This suggest taking ##\delta = \epsilon/5## in an ##\epsilon-\delta## proof.
But this doesn't show that ##|x-x_0|\leq|f(x)-f(x_0)|/5## for ##|x-x_0|<\delta##, which is what I am asking about. I really do understand the continuity proof, trust me!
 
GodfreyHW said:
I really do understand the continuity proof, trust me!

Why worry if the author got into a verbal tangle? It happens.
 
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GodfreyHW said:
But this doesn't show that ##|x-x_0|\leq|f(x)-f(x_0)|/5## for ##|x-x_0|<\delta##

I'm not sure what you are after:
$$\frac{|f(x)-f(x_0)|}{5} = \frac{5|x-x_0|}{5}= |x-x_0|$$

and the inequality you are looking for so hard is always true (it is even equality!) regardless of the fact that ##|x-x_0|## is small.

I agree with @PeroK that the author was probably sloppy and yes it happens. I'm currently reading an analysis book full of mistakes.
 
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Thank you both. @Math_QED and @PeroK
PeroK said:
Why worry if the author got into a verbal tangle? It happens.
Well, I am still learning, and when I come upon stuff like this, I cannot help but feel frustrated for not understanding. And I don't really trust my knowledge enough at this point to judge by myself that such and such is a typo/mistake or not.
 
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