Inequality of arithmetic and geometric means

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the maximum value of the expression 2(√(1-a^2)) + 2a. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including the use of calculus and the inequality of arithmetic and geometric means.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the inequality of arithmetic and geometric means to find the maximum value of the expression but expresses uncertainty about how to apply it.
  • Another participant proposes that the problem could be approached using calculus, specifically by finding the derivative of the function f(a) = 2(√(1-a^2)) + 2a to identify maximum or minimum points.
  • A further contribution details the derivative of the function and identifies critical points where the derivative is zero or undefined, suggesting to check specific values for maximum determination.
  • One participant expresses a preference against using derivatives, indicating a desire to focus on the inequality of arithmetic and geometric means instead.
  • Another participant discusses the need to identify quantities that can be used to apply the arithmetic and geometric means, hinting at the formulation of equations based on those means.
  • A later reply mentions a specific value of n=4 but does not clarify its relevance to the previous discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem. There are competing views on whether to use calculus or the inequality of arithmetic and geometric means, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with calculus and the inequality of arithmetic and geometric means, which may affect their contributions and understanding of the problem.

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Hey! I have this: 2(√(1-a^2 ))+ 2a
How to determine the maximum value of this?

I think good for this is Inequality of arithmetic and geometric means, but I don't know how use this, because I don't calculate with this yet.

So, have you got any ideas?



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Hey! I have this: 2(√(1-a^2 ))+ 2a
How to determine the maximum value of this?

Could be a Calculus derivative problem. Does this f(a)=2(√(1-a^2 ))+ 2a have a maximum or minimum?
 
Carrying that farther [itex]f(a)= 2(1- a^2)^{1/2}+ 2a[/itex] has derivative [itex]f'(a)= -2(1- a^2)^{-1/2}+ 2[/itex]. Any maximum (or minimum) must occur where that derivative is 0 or does not exist. It does not exist when a= 1 or -1 because in that case we have a 0 in the denominator. It is 0 when [itex]\sqrt{1- a^2}= 1[/itex] or a= 0.

Check the values of [itex]2\sqrt{1- a^2}+ 2a[/itex] at x= -1, 0, and 1 to see which is the maximum value.

Another way to look at this is to see that if [itex]y= 2\sqrt{1- a^2}+ 2a[/itex] then [itex]y- 2a= 2\sqrt{1- a^2}[/itex] and so [itex]y^2- 4ay+ 4a^2= 4- 4a^2[/itex] or [itex]8a^2- 4ay+ y^2= 4[/itex] which is the graph of an ellipse with major and minor axes rotated from the coordinate axes.
 
Please, derivate no... I still have a few years time to learn this.
I need to use Inequality of arithmetic and geometric means, bud how?
 
Your expression has two parts, ##2\sqrt{1-a^2}## amd ##2a##.

If you are supposed to use arithmetic and geometric means, you need to find some quantities that give those arithmetic and geometric means.

For example if the quantities are ##x## and ##y## and the arithmetic mean is ##2a##, you have the equation ##(x+y)/2 = 2a##

And you have another equation for the geometric mean ...
 
Yes, i have this: n=4
And what now?
 

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