Inertial and non inertial frame of reference

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of inertial and non-inertial frames of reference, focusing on their definitions and examples to clarify understanding. Participants seek to explain these concepts in simple terms, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define an inertial frame of reference as one where the law of inertia is valid, while a non-inertial frame is one that is accelerating.
  • Examples are provided, such as being in a car traveling straight at constant speed representing an inertial frame, whereas accelerating or turning in a car represents a non-inertial frame.
  • One participant questions the need for a simple explanation of the law of inertia, suggesting that it could be easily found through online searches or textbooks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the need for simplified explanations versus the availability of resources for understanding the law of inertia. Some participants provide definitions and examples, while others express frustration at the request for simplification.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and examples may depend on the participants' interpretations of the concepts, and there is an unresolved tension regarding the appropriateness of seeking simplified explanations versus utilizing existing resources.

officialmanojsh
When I was surfing on a group in Facebook, I found two concepts very difficult to understand by reading the discussions in comments. Those concepts are inertial and non inertial frame of reference. Please make me understand these two concepts in simple words. Please don't suggest links as I can't understand complex and new English words in a sentence. So please help me understand. :)
 
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An inertial frame of reference is a coordinate system in which the law of inertia is valid. If a coordinate system is accelerating then the law of inertia is not valid within the system and is therefore a non-inertial frame.
 
officialmanojsh said:
When I was surfing on a group in Facebook, I found two concepts very difficult to understand by reading the discussions in comments. Those concepts are inertial and non inertial frame of reference. Please make me understand these two concepts in simple words. Please don't suggest links as I can't understand complex and new English words in a sentence. So please help me understand. :)
If you are in a car and the car is traveling straight ahead at a constant speed, then you are in an inertial frame of reference. If you are holding the string from a helium balloon in your hand, the string will be vertical, and the balloon will stay where it is.

If you are in a car, and the car is accelerating forward or traveling around a curve, then you are in an accelerating, non-inertial frame of reference. During the time that either of these accelerations is occurring, the string on the balloon will not be vertical. In the case where you are accelerating forward, the balloon will move toward the back, and in the case where you are going around a right turn, the balloon will move toward the left.

Chet
 
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brainpushups said:
An inertial frame of reference is a coordinate system in which the law of inertia is valid. If a coordinate system is accelerating then the law of inertia is not valid within the system and is therefore a non-inertial frame.
Chestermiller said:
If you are in a car and the car is traveling straight ahead at a constant speed, then you are in an inertial frame of reference. If you are holding the string from a helium balloon in your hand, the string will be vertical, and the balloon will stay where it is.

If you are in a car, and the car is accelerating forward or traveling around a curve, then you are in an accelerating, non-inertial frame of reference. During the time that either of these accelerations is occurring, the string on the balloon will not be vertical. In the case where you are accelerating forward, the balloon will move toward the back, and in the case where you are going around a right turn, the balloon will move toward the left.

Chet
What does law of inertia say ?
 
officialmanojsh said:
What does law of inertia say ?
If a body is traveling in a straight line at constant speed, it is experiencing no net external force. But why do I have to tell you this? Why can't you just Google "law of inertia" and find out for yourself? Or look in you textbook?

Chet
 

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