Infinite limit as X tends to infinity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of limits in calculus, specifically focusing on the formal \(\varepsilon - \delta\) definition of limits as \(x\) approaches infinity. The original poster is tasked with expressing this limit definition for the case where \(\lim_{(x \rightarrow \infty)} f(x) = \infty\).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to articulate the \(\varepsilon - \delta\) definition for limits approaching infinity and seeks verification of their understanding. Other participants engage by confirming the definition and suggesting slight modifications. Additionally, one participant explores applying this principle to a specific exercise involving the limit of \(x \cos\frac{1}{x}\) as \(x\) approaches infinity, raising questions about the validity of their reasoning.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's attempts to define the limit. There is a collaborative atmosphere as participants clarify definitions and explore the implications of their reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formulation of the limit definition, and there is ongoing exploration of its application to a specific problem.

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Participants are navigating the formal definitions required for their homework, with some expressing uncertainty about their interpretations and the implications of their reasoning. The discussion reflects the constraints of needing to adhere to specific mathematical definitions while also grappling with the nuances of applying them in practice.

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Homework Statement


I am required to express in [tex]\varepsilon - \delta[/tex] way what I'm suppose to prove in case [tex]lim_\below{(x \rightarrow \infty)} f(x) = \infty[/tex]

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So first, intuitively I thought that what this means is that [tex]f(x)[/tex] is bigger than any arbitrary number when [tex]x[/tex] is bigger than any arbitrary number. So I attempted to combine the [tex]\varepsilon - \delta[/tex] definitions of when [tex]x[/tex] tends to infinity and when limit [tex]f(x)[/tex] tends to infinity.

I came up with this:
[tex]lim_\below{(x \rightarrow \infty)} f(x) = \infty[/tex] if for every [tex]M>0[/tex] there exists [tex]N>0[/tex] so that for every [tex]x>M[/tex], [tex]f(x)>N[/tex].

I am unsure of whether it's the correct definition. Anyone can verify that?
 
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Hi IdanH14! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a delta: δ and an epsilon: ε and an infinity: ∞ :wink:)
IdanH14 said:
[tex]lim_\below{(x \rightarrow \infty)} f(x) = \infty[/tex] if for every [tex]M>0[/tex] there exists [tex]N>0[/tex] so that for every [tex]x>M[/tex], [tex]f(x)>N[/tex].

Yes :smile:, except it's the other way round …

no matter how large N is, we can find an M above which f(x) > N. :wink:

(you get the same result if you use 1/f, 1/δ, and 1/ε)
 
Thanks! :)
Let me summarize it to see if I got it. It should be
For every N>0 there exists M>0, so that for every x>M, f(x)>N
Right?
 
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IdanH14 said:
Thanks! :)
Let me summarize it to see if I got it. It should be
For every N>0 there exists M>0, so that for every x>M, f(x)>N
Right?

Right! :biggrin:
 
I like you usage of icons. I think I'll adopt it. ;)

Now, I'm trying to solve an exercise in my math book with this principle. Despite the fact I already learned infinite limits arithmetics, I'm required to prove that [tex]lim_\below{x\rightarrow \infty}) x cos\frac{1}{x} = \infty[/tex] in this cumbersome way. So I think I have a solution, but again, my insecurities creep in. :devil:

So I noticed that the bigger x gets, the closer [tex]cos\frac{1}{x}[/tex] gets to 1. If I'll choose [tex]M=N[/tex] then, unless they [tex]N=\infty[/tex] I'll get something that's smaller than N, because X is multiplied by something which is close to 1, but doesn't equal 1. But if [tex]M=2N[/tex] then problem eliminated. Almost. :bugeye:

Why almost? Because if [tex]\frac{1}{x}>1[/tex] then [tex]cos\frac{1}{x}[/tex] is potentially getting farther from 1. So, what I was thinking was to say [tex]M=max(1,2N)[/tex] and then problem solved.

I hope I'm clear enough. Is this a valid proof? Did I find for every N>0 an M>0 that meet the requirements?

Thanks :)
 
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IdanH14 said:
… So I noticed that the bigger x gets, the closer [tex]cos\frac{1}{x}[/tex] gets to 1.

That's correct.

I can work out why you're then using M = 2N (because of course M = N doesn't quite work), but you haven't actually specified why M = 2N does work. :smile:

(for example, does it work for any N?)
 

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