Infinite set ordering convention

In summary, the conversation discussed the concept of the smallest set in relation to finite automata. The professor defines it as the smallest set with certain properties and all sets with these properties are countable infinite. There is a potential ordering among these sets, as they are all supersets of the minimal intended set. The conversation also touched on the concepts of upper and lower bounds, maximal and minimal elements, and the relationship between them. The speaker also mentioned discussing this concept with the professor, who clarified that the smallest set refers to the smallest under inclusion.
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I was reading the electronic notes for my class on finite automata and the professor defines something as the smallest set having certain properties. The thing is that all sets having those properties are countable infinite. But there is a potential ordering, because all sets having those properties are supersets of the minimal set intended. Is this worth mentioning to him?
 
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That is what is meant by "the smallest set." My book introduces two notions that have to do with strict partial orders: upper bounds and maximal elements. Given a set A with strict partial order <, an element c of A is an upper bound for a subset B of A if for every b in B, either b < c or b = c. A maximal element m of A is an element such that for all a in A, m < a never holds. Note that this does not mean that for all a in A, either a < m or a = m holds, since < is a partial order, and so comparability is not guaranteed. We can form analogous concepts of lower bounds and minimal elements. In your case, you have a collection C of sets with a certain property, and a special set m in C. m is a minimal element of C, in that for all c in C, c < m never holds (that is, c is never properly contained in m). m is also a lower bound of the subset C of C, since for every c in C, either m = c or m < c (i.e. every other set with the property is a superset of this special set m). The fact that m is a lower bound of the subset C of C implies that m is a minimal element of C. In fact, in your case m is the lower bound of C, and is the minimal element of C. This is normally what is meant by "the smallest set".

Coincidentally, this smallest set will also have cardinality less than (or equal to) all other elements in C as a result of being contained in all of them, but this is a mere consequence of being the smallest set, it is not what your professor means when he says it's the smallest.
 
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I talked to him and he clarified that he meant "smallest under inclusion" which is what you said.
 

What is an infinite set ordering convention?

An infinite set ordering convention is a method used to arrange the elements of an infinite set in a specific order. This allows for easier comparison and analysis of the elements within the set.

How is an infinite set ordering convention different from a finite set ordering convention?

An infinite set ordering convention is different from a finite set ordering convention because it deals with sets that have an infinite number of elements. This requires a different approach to ordering and comparing the elements within the set.

What are some common types of infinite set ordering conventions?

Some common types of infinite set ordering conventions include the natural ordering convention, the lexicographical ordering convention, and the well-ordering convention. These conventions use different criteria to determine the order of elements within the set.

Why is it important to have an infinite set ordering convention?

Having an infinite set ordering convention allows for easier comparison and analysis of the elements within the set. It also helps to establish a consistent and logical way of organizing the elements, which can aid in understanding and studying the set.

Can an infinite set have multiple ordering conventions?

Yes, an infinite set can have multiple ordering conventions. Different conventions may be used for different purposes or depending on the context in which the set is being studied. However, it is important to be consistent in the use of a specific convention when comparing and analyzing the elements within the set.

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