Finite and Countable union of countable sets

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that certain sets are countable, specifically a finite union of countable sets and a countable union of countable sets. The subject area is set theory and countability.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss defining a bijection between the integers and the union of countable sets. There are attempts to conceptualize the arrangement of elements in a grid to facilitate the mapping process. Questions arise regarding the formalization of these arrangements and the specific elements involved in the unions.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring various methods to establish countability. Some guidance has been offered regarding the similarity to the countability of rational numbers, but there is no explicit consensus on the methods or definitions being used.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the depth of their discussions. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in definitions and arrangements of sets.

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Homework Statement


Show the following sets are countable;
i) A finite union of countable sets.
ii) A countable union of countable sets.

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A set X, is countable if there exists a bijection f: X → Z

The Attempt at a Solution


Part i) Well I suppose you could start by considering V1,V2,...Vn countable sets. Let V = \bigcup^{n}_{i=1}V_{n}, and then we have to define some general bijection between Z and V?

Part ii) Is there a way to write out all the elements of a collection of sets as a grid, similar to showing why the rational numbers are countable, and then move through them in some ordered manner, so that we can create a bijection? Is there a way to formalise this?
 
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6.28318531 said:
Part ii) Is there a way to write out all the elements of a collection of sets as a grid, similar to showing why the rational numbers are countable, and then move through them in some ordered manner, so that we can create a bijection? Is there a way to formalise this?

Yes. The proof is very similar to showing that the rationals are countable. Try something like that.
 
So something like V =\bigcupVij, then arrange the elements Vij in a grid (like a matrix )
then choose V11,V21,V12,V31...etc, so then you can simply map

f V → Z, with f(n) = n the nth element of the list?
 
6.28318531 said:
So something like V =\bigcupVij, then arrange the elements Vij in a grid (like a matrix )

What are the V_{ij}?
 

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