Information carried by ray of light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether a ray of light carries information about the object it reflects off of, particularly in the context of visual perception and the characteristics of light. Participants explore the nature of this "information," its transmission, and the role of the observer's brain in interpreting visual data.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a light ray carries information about the object it hits, referencing the clarity of images seen in mirrors.
  • Another participant suggests that a perfect mirror reflects light without alteration, implying that information about the mirror can be inferred from the reflected light.
  • It is noted that light scattered from various objects can convey information about those objects, but this information is not typically deducible from a single photon.
  • Several participants express that photons do not carry information in a conventional sense; instead, information is derived from the collective detection of many photons and the brain's interpretation of this sensory input.
  • One participant emphasizes that understanding visual information requires prior experience and context, as demonstrated by individuals who have never seen before.
  • Another participant mentions that discussing this topic is often clearer when using the wave model of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that photons do not carry information in a direct manner, but there is disagreement on the implications of this and how information is ultimately perceived and interpreted.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining "information" in the context of light and perception, and the reliance on multiple photons for meaningful interpretation. There are unresolved nuances regarding the nature of light and its interaction with objects.

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Does the light ray that had hitted a body carry the information about the body that it has hitted?

Because when we see our own image in a mirror the image is same as of us.
so do the photons of light carry information about the part from which they are reflected?

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Depends on what did the reflecting.
A perfect mirror would just reflect the light as is - making no other changes. We may be able to deduce the existence of the mirror from the behavior of the image so in that sense information about the mirror has arrived with the light.

Light scattered from various objects around us tell us a lot about those objects - though the "information" about the object's size, color, texture, eating habits, etc is not usually deducible from a single photon.

So what do you mean by "information"?
 
Simon Bridge said:
So what do you mean by "information"?
yes by information i mean the same as stated by you that is object's size, color, texture...
But how does the photon take up such information?
 
nil1996 said:
yes by information i mean the same as stated by you that is object's size, color, texture...
But how does the photon take up such information?

It doesn't. The information isn't "carried" by the photon as one might carry a notebook or something. The photon merely has a certain amount of energy and a path that it takes. It reflects off the object you are looking at and enters the eye where it is directed onto the retina. The "information" about the object you are looking at comes from the detection of many photons in a short period of time. Your brain takes these detections and interprets them to form a visual image that you see and recognize.

Also, it is only the experience your brain has with dealing with this sensory input that allows you to interpret it as meaningful data. A newborn, as well as a person who has just had their sight restored after being blind for life, have absolutely no idea what they are seeing, as their brains have never had this sensory input before and cannot interpret it.
 
by information i mean the same as stated by you that is object's size, color, texture...
But how does the photon take up such information?
That's easy - they don't.
That kind of information about an object scattering light is deduced from many many photons in combination with our lifetimes experience of seeing things and of handling a variety of objects close-up.

Note: it's usually easier to talk about this in the wave-model for light.
 
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