Inrush current in a transformer chain

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of inrush current in a transformer chain, particularly focusing on the effects of transformer configurations and conditions on inrush current levels. Participants explore theoretical implications and various factors influencing inrush current, including transformer core conditions and circuit configurations.

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  • One participant proposes that the inrush current of XFMR1 may change when the secondary of XFMR2 is open, questioning the significance of this change.
  • Another participant suggests that having twice the leakage inductance could result in a lower inrush current.
  • A later reply emphasizes the difficulty in predicting inrush current, noting that it depends on the cause, such as load circuitry, transformer core saturation, or winding capacitance.
  • One participant elaborates on the conditions under which no inrush current is expected in the secondary, particularly if the magnetic core is in a demagnetized state when de-energized, providing a mathematical framework for this assertion.

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Participants express differing views on the predictability and behavior of inrush current under various conditions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of modeling inrush current, with participants noting the need for detailed models and the influence of various factors such as leakage inductance and core saturation. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific conditions affecting inrush current.

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How does connecting two transformers in a chain affect the inrush current (at switch-on), as opposed to one transformer on its own?
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This is the proposal, except the two middle voltages are 110V, not 12V.

Say the max switch-on inrush current of XFMR1 is xA with the secondary open, would the value change significantly in the above arrangement, with the secondary of XFMR2 open?
 
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You have twice the leakage inductance, so the inrush may be a little lower.
 
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berkeman said:
You have twice the leakage inductance, so the inrush may be a little lower.
Thanks.
 
Hard to answer without knowing what causes the inrush current.

- If it's from the load circuitry, the I'm with @berkeman, more series impedance buffer means less inrush magnitude, but longer duration (probably).

- If it's from the transformer core saturation because of residual magnetization, then it's just not predictable, at least to me. But, the same or maybe more.

- If it's from winding capacitance then you get an addition of some sort. Complicated by turns ratio and leakage inductance.

The short answer is that you need a much more detailed model, which is pretty difficult. As you drew it, I'd say there's no inrush surge in any case.
 
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If the magnetic core was in demagnetized position when it was de-energized

then up to 100 A/m magnetic field the flux density is about 0 so E1=0 and E2=0 and I2=0 since the second loop E=0.

So, no inrush current is expected in the secondary.

0=U-(E+Z*Iinrush)

U is the supply voltage, E it is the electromotive force in the primary or secondary windings and Z is the short-circuit impedance.

E=Φ*ω Φ=Bfe*A [A= magnetic core cross section area].The current will rise in time from 0 to Iinrush .

If the magnetic core was in demagnetized position when it was de-energized then up to 100 A/m magnetic field the flux density is about 0 then Φ=0 so E1=0 and so E2. So, no inrush current is expected in the secondary.

Iinrush=(U-E)/Z [ if E1=0 then Iinrush=U/Z] ; Z=R+jXe Xe=leakage magnetic flux reactance Xe=Le*ω it is considered independent of main flux level.
 

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