Inscribed and circumscribed quadrilateral

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a quadrilateral $$ABCD$$ that is both inscribed in a circle of radius $$R$$ and circumscribed about another circle. Participants are tasked with finding the area of $$ABCD$$ given that its area is three times that of another quadrilateral $$KLMN$$ formed by the tangent points of the second circle. The angle between the diagonals of $$ABCD$$ is also a point of interest.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the quadrilateral $$ABCD$$ may be a trapezium due to symmetry considerations.
  • There is a mention that the diagonals of both quadrilaterals intersect at the same point.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of $$S_{ABCD}$$, which is noted to represent the area.
  • Another participant identifies the quadrilateral as bicentric and references external information about bicentric quadrilaterals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the properties of the quadrilateral or the implications of the given conditions. Multiple interpretations and uncertainties remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved definitions and assumptions regarding the terms used, particularly $$S_{ABCD}$$, and the implications of the quadrilateral being bicentric are not fully explored.

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I would like to discuss the following problem.

The quadrilateral $$ABCD$$ is inscribed into a circle of given radius $$R.$$ And it is circumscribed to a circle. The tangent points from the second circle produce another quadrilateral $$KLMN$$ such that $$S_{ABCD}=3S_{KLMN}.$$ Also $$\gamma$$ is the angle between diagonals $$AC$$ and $$BD.$$ Find the area of $$ABCD.$$

I have no ideas. I wonder if I have to search any regularities of $$ABCD.$$ All given elements seem to me "distanced" from each other.
 
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Andrei said:
I would like to discuss the following problem.

The quadrilateral $$ABCD$$ is inscribed into a circle of given radius $$R.$$ And it is circumscribed to a circle. The tangent points from the second circle produce another quadrilateral $$KLMN$$ such that $$S_{ABCD}=3S_{KLMN}.$$ Also $$\gamma$$ is the angle between diagonals $$AC$$ and $$BD.$$ Find the area of $$ABCD.$$

I have no ideas. I wonder if I have to search any regularities of $$ABCD.$$ All given elements seem to me "distanced" from each other.

I can't give you a complete solution, sorry, but...

1. For symmetry reasons I assumed that the quadrilateral in question must be a trapezium.

2. The diagonals of ABCD and KLMN intersect in the same point.

3. Since I don't know what $$S_{ABCD}$$ means I can't give you any calculations.
 

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earboth said:
1. For symmetry reasons I assumed that the quadrilateral in question must be a trapezium.
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3. ... I don't know what $$S_{ABCD}$$ means ...
The red quadrilateral in your picture can also be circumscribed. $$S$$ is the area.
 
Andrei said:
I would like to discuss the following problem.

The quadrilateral $$ABCD$$ is inscribed into a circle of given radius $$R.$$ And it is circumscribed to a circle. The tangent points from the second circle produce another quadrilateral $$KLMN$$ such that $$S_{ABCD}=3S_{KLMN}.$$ Also $$\gamma$$ is the angle between diagonals $$AC$$ and $$BD.$$ Find the area of $$ABCD.$$

I have no ideas. I wonder if I have to search any regularities of $$ABCD.$$ All given elements seem to me "distanced" from each other.
A quadrilateral of this kind is called bicentric. You might find some useful information at Bicentric quadrilateral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
 

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