Integrability of Monotonic Functions on Closed Intervals Explained

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The discussion revolves around the integrability of monotonic functions on closed intervals, specifically examining the conditions under which a function is considered integrable. Participants explore the implications of monotonicity and continuity in relation to integrability.

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  • Participants question the definition of non-monotonic functions and whether they must be discontinuous. They provide examples of functions that are continuous yet non-monotonic, such as f(x) = xsin(1/x), and discuss the implications of these examples on the theorem regarding integrability.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering examples and clarifications about monotonicity and integrability. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of non-monotonic functions, but there is no explicit consensus on the implications of these definitions.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of monotonic and non-monotonic functions, as well as their integrability, within the constraints of the original theorem discussed in the textbook.

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The book is saying if f is monotonic on a closed interval, then f is integrable on the closed interval.

Or basically if it is increasing or decreasing on the interval it is integrable on that interval

This makes sense, however this theorem seems to obvious because obviously if a function is countinuous on a closed interval it will be integrable on that interval whether or not its increasing or not...
So my question is... what is a non monotonic function..? would that be a function with discountinuities?
 
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Miike012 said:
The book is saying if f is monotonic on a closed interval, then f is integrable on the closed interval.

Or basically if it is increasing or decreasing on the interval it is integrable on that interval

This makes sense, however this theorem seems to obvious because obviously if a function is countinuous on a closed interval it will be integrable on that interval whether or not its increasing or not...
So my question is... what is a non monotonic function..? would that be a function with discountinuities?

It doesn't have to be discontinuous. For example f(x) = xsin(1/x) is continuous if you define f(0) = 0, but it isn't monotonic on any closed interval containing 0. A discontinuous example is the "salt and pepper" function g(x) = 1 if x rational and 0 if x irrational, which is not monotonic on any interval.
 
Sorry, I don't see how f(x) = xsin(1/x) is defined at x = 0...?
 
Miike012 said:
Sorry, I don't see how f(x) = xsin(1/x) is defined at x = 0...?

The definition of the function I am suggesting is$$
f(x) = \begin{cases} \frac 1 x\sin(x)&x \neq 0\\
0 & x = 0\end{cases}$$ It is defined to be 0 when x = 0.
 
Miike012 said:
The book is saying if f is monotonic on a closed interval, then f is integrable on the closed interval.

Or basically if it is increasing or decreasing on the interval it is integrable on that interval

This makes sense, however this theorem seems to obvious because obviously if a function is countinuous on a closed interval it will be integrable on that interval whether or not its increasing or not...
So my question is... what is a non monotonic function..? would that be a function with discountinuities?

f(x)=x^2 on [-1,1] is nonmonotonic. It is continuous. It's also integrable. What's the question again? I think Miike012 might be confusing f monotonic -> f integrable (which is true) with f not monotonic -> f not integrable (which is false).
 
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