Integral Manipulation: Solving Complex Integrals with q>p>-1 and w=\cosh(x)

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The discussion revolves around manipulating integrals involving hyperbolic functions, specifically focusing on the transition between different integral forms under the conditions q>p>-1 and w=cosh(x). Participants are exploring the relationships between these integrals and the substitutions involved.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to transition between integrals involving sinh and cosh functions and questions how to achieve this smoothly. Some participants suggest using identities related to hyperbolic functions and explore the implications of changing variables, particularly with the substitution t=w^{-2}.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into potential misprints in the original question and discussing the implications of variable substitutions. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the transformations, and while some progress has been made, there is no explicit consensus on the final approach.

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There is mention of a possible misprint in the original integral setup, which may affect the direction of the discussion. Participants are also considering the limits of integration and how they change with variable substitutions.

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If [itex]q>p>-1[/itex] and [itex]w=\cosh(x)[/itex] then how do I get smoothly from: [tex]\displaystyle \int^{\infty}_1 \sinh^{p-1}(x) w^{-q} \;dw[/tex] to [tex]\displaystyle \int^{\infty}_1 (w^2-1)^{\frac{p-1}{2}} w^{-q}\;dw[/tex] and if [itex]t=w^{-2}[/itex] how do I get smoothly from this to: [tex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{2} \int^{\infty}_0 t^{\frac{p+1}{2}-1} (1-t)^{\frac{q-p}{2}-1}\;dt[/tex]
 
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(you know cosh2 = sinh2 + 1 ?)

looks straightforward to me

where exactly are you having difficulty?
 
tiny-tim said:
(you know cosh2 = sinh2 + 1 ?)

looks straightforward to me

where exactly are you having difficulty?


Ah, that identity gives me the first one.

Now if [itex]t=w^{-2}[/itex] then [itex]\displaystyle dw = -\frac{dt}{2w^{-3}}[/itex] so: [tex]\displaystyle \int^{\infty}_1 (w^2-1)^{\frac{p-1}{2}} w^{-q}\;dw = -\frac{1}{2} \int^{\infty}_0 (t^{-1} -1)^{\frac{p-1}{2}} t^{\frac{q}{2}}\;\frac{dt}{w^{-3}}[/tex] and since [itex]w^{-3} = t^{\frac{3}{2}}[/itex] this equals [tex]\displaystyle -\frac{1}{2} \int^{\infty}_0 (t^{-1} -1)^{\frac{p-1}{2}} t^{\frac{1}{2}(q-3)}\;dt[/tex]

How do I get from this to [tex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{2} \int^{\infty}_0 t^{\frac{p+1}{2}-1} (1-t)^{\frac{q-p}{2}-1}\;dt[/tex]
 
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Hi Ted123! :wink:

(just got up :zzz: …)

You're right :smile:, it doesn't work …

I think the question has a misprint, it should be …
[tex]\displaystyle \int^{\infty}_1 \sinh^{q-p}(x) w^{-q} \;dw[/tex]
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Ted123! :wink:

(just got up :zzz: …)

You're right :smile:, it doesn't work …

I think the question has a misprint, it should be …
[tex]\displaystyle \int^{\infty}_1 \sinh^{q-p}(x) w^{-q} \;dw[/tex]


I think I've got it to work. When we let [itex]t=w^{-2}[/itex] the limits of the integral change from [itex]\int^{\infty}_1[/itex] to [itex]\int^0_1 = -\int^1_0[/itex].

So from [tex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{2} \int^1_0 (t^{-1} -1)^{\frac{p-1}{2}} t^{\frac{1}{2}(q-3)}\;dt[/tex]

we have that [itex]t^{-1} - 1 = \frac{1-t}{t}[/itex]. Hence we have [tex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{2} \int^1_0 \left( \frac{1-t}{t} \right) ^{\frac{p-1}{2}} t^{\frac{1}{2}(q-3)}\;dt[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{2} \int^1_0 (1-t)^{\frac{p-1}{2}} \frac{ t^{\frac{1}{2} (q-3)} }{t^{ \frac{p-1}{2} }} \;dt[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{2} \int^1_0 (1-t)^{\frac{p-1}{2}} t^{\frac{q-p}{2}-1} \;dt = \frac{1}{2} \int^1_0 (1-t)^{\frac{p+1}{2} - 1} t^{\frac{q-p}{2}-1} \;dt[/tex] This is the beta function [itex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{2} B \left (\frac{q-p}{2} , \frac{p+1}{2} \right)[/itex] and the Beta function is symmetric so this equals [itex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{2} B \left (\frac{p+1}{2} , \frac{q-p}{2} \right)[/itex] which gives us [tex]\frac{1}{2} \int^1_0 (1-t)^{\frac{q-p}{2}-1} t^{\frac{p+1}{2} - 1} \;dt[/tex]
 
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