Integral of absolute value of a Fourier transform

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The discussion revolves around calculating the integral of the absolute value squared of a Fourier transform, specifically the expression $$\int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2\, df$$ where the function $$Y(f)$$ involves delta functions and complex exponentials. The context includes Fourier analysis and properties of delta functions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the properties of the delta function and its implications on the integral's limits. There are attempts to manipulate the expression for $$Y(f)$$ and to clarify the treatment of delta functions in the context of the integral. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the original poster's assumptions and the limits of integration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications on the properties of the delta function, suggesting that the upper limit of the integral may lead to zero contributions. Others have offered insights into the manipulation of the integral involving complex exponentials and delta functions, indicating a productive exploration of the problem without reaching a consensus on the final solution.

Contextual Notes

There are ongoing discussions about the validity of the upper limit of integration and the treatment of delta functions, which may affect the outcome of the integral. The original poster's supervisor has indicated a specific form that the solution should resemble, adding to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Hi guys,

I am going to calculate the following integral:
$$\int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2\, df$$ where:$$Y(f)=\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m \sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l}\left [ e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0) + e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \right ] $$

with ##\omega_0= 2\pi (f_c + f_m), \ \ \alpha_m=constant, \ \ f_c,f_m: frequencies, \ \ \theta_m: initial \ phase ##.

2. Homework Equations
Then, the integral weare looking for will get the following form:

$$ \int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2 df= \int_o^{f_c + f_m} (\pi \alpha_m)^2 \Big|\sum_{l=1}^L \sqrt{g_l}e^{-j \omega \tau_l} \Big|^2 cos^2[2 \pi (f_c + f_m) + \theta_m]df =\\
(\pi \alpha_m)^2\int_0^{f_c+f_m} \sum_{l=1}^L g_l e^{-2j \omega \tau_l} \Big[cos^2[2 \pi (f_c + f_m) + \theta_m]\Big]df =\\
(\pi \alpha_m)^2 \Big(\sum_{l=1}^L g_l e^{-j2(2\pi) \tau_l}\Big) \Big[cos^2[2 \pi (f_c + f_m) +\theta_m] \Big] \int_0^{f_c+f_m}e^f df $$[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



Using a delta's Dirac property: ##\delta(\omega - \omega_0)f(\omega)= f(\omega - \omega_0)## (please correct me if it is wrong, because I have doubts about it), I got:$$Y(f)=\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m \sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l}\left [ e^{-j[(\omega - \omega_0 )\tau_l - \theta_m)]} + e^{-j[(\omega - \omega_0) \tau_l + \theta_m)]} \right ] =\\
=\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m \sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l} e^{-j \omega \tau_l} \left [ e^{j(\omega_0\tau_l + \theta_m)} + e^{-j( \omega_0 \tau_l + \theta_m)]} \right ] =\\
=(\pi \alpha_m) \Big(\sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l} e^{-j \omega \tau_l} \Big) cos [2 \pi (f_c + f_m)\tau_l + \theta_m]$$

So, finally:

$$ |Y(f)|^2=(\pi \alpha_m)^2 \Big|\sum_{l=1}^L \sqrt{g_l}e^{-j \omega \tau_l} \Big|^2 cos^2[2 \pi (f_c + f_m) + \theta_m]$$.Being ## \int_0^{f_c+f_m}e^f df = e^{f_c+f_m} - 1\approx e^{f_c+f_m} ##, then:$$\int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2 df= (\pi \alpha_m)^2 \Big(\sum_{l=1}^L g_l e^{-j4 \pi (f_c + f_m) \tau_l}\Big) \Big[cos^2[2 \pi (f_c + f_m) +\theta_m] \Big]$$

My supervisor told me I am supposed to find a solution proportional to: ##\Big|\sum_{l=1}^L \sqrt{g_l}e^{j 2 \pi (f_c + f_m)\tau_l} \Big|^2##.

Could you please help me to find the right solution and where the error is?

Thank you so much for your help, I would really appreciate that![/B]
 
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Mik256 said:
##\delta(\omega-\omega_0)f(\omega)=f(\omega)##
This is not correct, it should be ##\int_0^{\infty} d\omega \delta(\omega-\omega_0)f(\omega)=f(\omega_0)##
Are you sure that the upper limit should be ##f_c+f_m##?
Because in that case both the delta function will give zero.
 
eys_physics said:
This is not correct, it should be ##\int_0^{\infty} d\omega \delta(\omega-\omega_0)f(\omega)=f(\omega_0)##
Are you sure that the upper limit should be ##f_c+f_m##?
Because in that case both the delta function will give zero.

Yes I am sure about it. Could you briefly explain me why I will get zero?

And, if you had an idea to solve it, would you be so kind to sketch me a solution?

Thanks for your help!
 
The statement I gave concerning the delta function in my previous post. The way to treat the delta function is to use (see https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/342743/delta-dirac-function-integral) :
##\delta(x)=1/(2\pi)\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty} e^{inx}##
and thus

##\delta(\omega-\omega_0)=1/(2\pi)\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty} e^{in(\omega-\omega_0)},##
##\delta(\omega+\omega_0)=1/(2\pi)\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty} e^{in(\omega+\omega_0)}.##

I cannot give you the complete solution according to the rules of this forum. But, if you need more help please tell where at the derivation you are stuck.
 
Alright, this is my attempt of solution:

$$ Y(f)=\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m \sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l}\left [ e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0) + e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \right ] $$

$$ \int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2df= \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \Big| \sum_{l=1}^{L} \sqrt{g_l}\left [ e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0) + e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \right ] \Big|^2 df = $$

$$= \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \sum_{l=1}^{L} {g_l} \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \left [ \Big( e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0) \Big)^2 + \Big( e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \Big)^2 +\underbrace{2 \Big| e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)}\delta(\omega - \omega_0)\delta(\omega + \omega_0)}_{=0} \Big| \right ] df $$

The last term is equal to zero because I have the multiplication of 2 delta; then:

$$ \int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2df = \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \sum_{l=1}^{L} {g_l} \Big[ \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \Big( e^{-j(\omega \tau_l - \theta_m)} \delta(\omega - \omega_0)\Big)^2 df + \int_0^{f_c+f_m} \Big(e^{-j(\omega \tau_l + \theta_m)} \delta(\omega + \omega_0) \Big) ^2 df \Big] = $$

$$\Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \sum_{l=1}^{L} {g_l} \Big[ \Big|e^{-j(\omega_0 \tau_l - \theta_m)} \Big|^2 + \Big| e^{j(\omega_0 \tau_l - \theta_m)} \Big|^2 \Big] $$

Finally: $$ \int_0^{f_c+f_m} |Y(f)|^2df= \Big(\frac{\pi}{2} \alpha_m\Big)^2 \sum_{l=1}^{L} {g_l} \Big( \Big|e^{-j(2 \pi (f_c+f_m) \tau_l - \theta_m)} \Big|^2 + \Big| e^{j(2 \pi (f_c+f_m) \tau_l - \theta_m)} \Big|^2 \Big) $$

Could it be the right solution or is there anything wrong?
 

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