Integral of sqrt(1 + x^4+ 2x^2)

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The discussion revolves around finding the integral of the expression sqrt(1 + x^4 + 2x^2), which involves polynomial functions under a square root. Participants explore various approaches to simplify the expression for integration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss potential substitutions and simplifications, with some suggesting that expanding expressions could lead to a clearer path. There is a focus on recognizing patterns in polynomial expressions.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered hints and insights into simplifying the expression, with some indicating that a straightforward approach may be more effective than traditional substitution methods. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem without reaching a consensus on a single method.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the substitution process and its implications for the integral, while others emphasize the importance of recognizing polynomial identities to aid in simplification.

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Homework Statement


sqrt(1 + x^4+ 2x^2)


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k so i need a lead on this one, maybe some kind of substition, i am not quite adept with finding the integrals of a square root function with polynomials in it
 
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Here's a bit of a hint. When you expand (x+1)^2, what do you get?
 
This problem is rigged to simplify VERY nicely :smile:

Let x2=u and you should see it more easily.
 
x^2 + 2x + 1
 
ohhh hmm
 
ok i see it now, but if x^2 = u then dx x= du and then dx = du/x does that makes sense ?
 
You can't put du/x inside the integral, the point of the substitution is to get rid of the x's...look at x^4+2x^2+1...there is a way to simplify it similar to how you would simplify x^2+2x+1...you won't need a substitution and then the answer is easy.
 
sorry i am dumb i got it
 
Oh yes sorry I never meant for you to make a substitution in the classic sense of solving an integral, but to make the substitution since u2+2u+1 is easily distinguishable as (u+1)2
 
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Sidthewall said:
x^2 + 2x + 1

(1 + x4 + 2x2)1/2

= [(1 + x2)2]1/2

= (1 + x2 )

Now find the integration of (1 + x2)dx
 

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