Integral Solutions to Complex Equations

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The discussion revolves around finding the integrals of several complex expressions involving trigonometric and exponential functions. The subject area includes calculus, specifically integral calculus and techniques for integration.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore methods for integrating complex functions, including breaking integrals into simpler parts and applying substitution techniques. Questions arise regarding the correct application of u-substitution and integration by parts.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the integrals, suggesting breaking them into parts and using substitution. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges involved in finding primitives for the given functions, with no consensus on the complete solution yet.

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Participants note that the original poster initially misidentified the task as finding derivatives instead of integrals. There is also mention of the difficulty in expressing the integrals in terms of elementary functions.

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Homework Statement



Find the integral of
[tex]\int{9cos(t)e^{9sin(t)} - e^{cos(t)}sin(t)} dt[/tex]
[tex]\int{ - t^2sin(t) + 2tcos(t)} dt[/tex]
[tex]\int{-8(sin(t))^2 - 2cos(t)sin(2sin((t)))} dt[/tex]

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I got -2tsin(2t) - t^2cos(t) + 2 cos(t) - 2t*sin(t)

is this correct?
 
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You calculated the derivative... Not the primitive.

(It's not even possible to write down the primitive in terms of elementary functions)
 
oops.. that's right, so how do I get the integrals of it
 
For the first listed integral, break the integral into two integrals and then perform a separate u-substitution for both integrals. I.e., let [itex]u[/itex] be something in the first integral, and let [itex]v[/itex] be something in the second integral.

For the second listed integral, again break the integral into two integrals and then use integration by parts. You will need to do integration by parts twice for the first of the two integrals.

Let's hold off on the third integral for now. Further hints can be given if you are still stuck.
 
are you saying u = 9cos(t)e^{9sin(t)} or are you asking to break this up to a u and v
 
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are you saying u = 9cos(t)e^{9sin(t)} or are you asking to break this up to a u and v

No. That isn't how you apply u-substitution. Break the integral up as:
[tex]\int \left( 9\cos t e^{9\sin t} - \sin t e^{\cos t} \right) \,dt = \int 9\cos t e^{9\sin t} \,dt + \int (-\sin t) e^{\cos t} \,dt[/tex]

For the integral on the left. Let [itex]u = 9\sin t[/itex]. Then [itex]du = 9\cos t \,dt[/itex]. Then the integral on the left becomes
[tex]\int \underbrace{e^{9\sin t}}_{e^u} \, \underbrace{9\cos t \,dt}_{du} = \int e^u \,du = e^u + C = e^{9\sin t} + C[/tex]

Now try the integral on the right by letting v be something, similar to the one I just did.
 
thanks for the help
 

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