Integrating Bulk Modulus to Find Pressure at Variable Depth

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The discussion focuses on calculating pressure at a depth of 5000 ft using the bulk modulus and hydrostatic equations. The initial pressure calculation is confirmed as 322,000 psf, but the book suggests 323,200 psf due to variable density with depth. Participants explore the relationship between pressure and density, emphasizing that density changes with pressure according to the bulk modulus equation. The integration of the derived equations leads to a formula for density in terms of pressure, which is then substituted back into the hydrostatic equation. The final steps involve rearranging the equation for integration from the surface to the desired depth.
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Homework Equations


pressure = density*gravity*depth

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The pressure at 5000 ft according to the book is 322,000 psf. This makes sense because density*gravity*depth = 2*32.2*5000 = 322,000 psf. How do I apply the bulk modulus equation to find the pressure at 5000 ft factoring a variable density with depth (The book says its 323,200 psf which makes sense because density increases with depth, although very slightly)?
 

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What is the hydrostatic equation, expressed in terms of the derivative of pressure with respect to depth?
 
That would be just [density*gravity]. So how do I apply that?
 
reddawg said:
That would be just [density*gravity]. So how do I apply that?
Right. $$\frac{dp}{dz}=\rho g$$
Now, from the bulk modulus equation, if the density approaches ##\rho_0## at low pressures, what is the density at pressure p?
 
That's where I have trouble. I always end up with just [density*gravity*depth]. Is it just (1/g)*(dp/dz) ?
 
reddawg said:
That's where I have trouble. I always end up with just [density*gravity*depth]. Is it just (1/g)*(dp/dz) ?
The relationship between density and pressure does not involve z. It's strictly a physical property relationship (sort of like the ideal gas law, except for a liquid).

Chet
 
So, solving for density using the Bulk Modulus equation:

ρ = B*(Δρ/p)
 
reddawg said:
So, solving for density using the Bulk Modulus equation:

ρ = B*(Δρ/p)
Actually, the equation is $$\frac{1}{\rho}\frac{d\rho}{dp}=\frac{d(\ln \rho)}{dp}=\frac{1}{B}$$ What do you get if you integrate that, subject to the initial condition ##\rho=\rho_0## at p --> 0?
 
I get:

(1/B)*p = ln(ρ/ρ0) when factoring in the initial conditions.
 
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reddawg said:
I get:

(1/B)*p = ln(ρ/ρ0) when factoring in the initial conditions.
Good. Now solve for ##\rho## in terms of p. What do you get?
 
  • #11
ρ = ρ0ep/B
 
  • #12
reddawg said:
ρ = ρ0ep/B
OK. Now substitute that into the hydrostatic equation in post #4. What do you get? Can you integrate that from z =0?
 
  • #13
(dp/dz) = ρ0gep/B

How do I rearrange that to integrate from z=0 to h?
 
  • #14
reddawg said:
(dp/dz) = ρ0gep/B

How do I rearrange that to integrate from z=0 to h?
Cmon man.

$$e^{-\frac{p}{B}}dp=\rho_0 g dz$$
 
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