Integrating Torque With Force as a Function of Radius

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the total torque acting on a device made of two open half-cylinders connected to a rotating shaft in a fluid. The setup includes considerations of drag and the relationship between force and torque as functions of radius.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to derive an expression for the differential force (dF) before calculating the differential torque (dT). There is exploration of how the force changes with radius and how to incorporate area into the calculations. Some participants suggest different forms for dF and question the dimensional consistency of the original solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between force and area, and there are multiple interpretations of how to express the differential elements involved in the torque calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential dimensional inconsistencies in their equations and are considering the implications of velocity as a function of radius in their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the physical situation being modeled.

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Homework Statement



In this problem, I am asked to find the total torque acting on a device consisting of two open half-cylinders connected to a shaft rotating in a fluid. To clarify, they are half-cylinders in the sense that they have been cut in half in the lengthwise direction and are oriented to generate drag. In the (very rough) picture below the spanwise elements are the two half cylinders (===) and the vertical part is the shaft (++).

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Homework Equations


T = r x F

F = 1/2 * rho * S_ref * C_D * V^2 = 1/2 * rho * S_ref * C_D * (omega * r)^2

where rho, S_ref, and C_D, the angular velocity (omega), the diameter, and the radius of the cylinder are all known

The Attempt at a Solution



As per my instructor's advice, the force on one cylinder is given in the equation above. Then a differential element of torque would be written as:

dT = 1/2 * rho * S_ref * C_D * (omega * r)^2 * r*dr

integrating over 0 to R should then give the total torque, which is (for both cylinders):

T = 1/4 * C_D * rho * D * omega^2 * R^5

The problem with this solution is that the units are kg*m^3/s^2 and the units of torque are kg*m^2/s^2, so there is some dimensional inconsistency. Instead I was thinking that differential radius in the cross-product should be just dr, but looking back I'm also not sure if it is necessary to take some differential element of the force (which of course itself has velocity as a function of radius. I'm just having some issues applying physical intuition to this fairly complicated situation since the force changes as radius changes.

Thanks for any help,
Ian
 
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I think you need to come up with an expression for dF first, then multiply it by r to get dT.

Something in the F equation must represent area, and would thus would contain the necessary dr term when you write dF.
 
Well, velocity is a function of radius, so you can write F = constants * r^2 so then

dF = 2*constants*r*dr

This would give:

dT = dF x r

dT = 2 * constants * r^2 * dr

T = 2/3 * constants * R^3

which is different than either of my other proposed solutions! Does this seem correct?
 
No, dF should be proportional to r2.

Think of a differential area element dSref, which has a drag force acting on it. Express dSref in terms of dr.

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