Integration by u- substitution (involving natural logs)

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function \(\int \frac{1}{1+\sqrt{2x}}dx\), specifically focusing on the method of integration by u-substitution involving natural logarithms.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of u-substitution, with attempts to clarify the re-substitution process and the handling of constants in the final answer. Questions arise regarding the implications of constants in indefinite integrals and how they relate to the solutions presented in textbooks.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the constant in the integral's solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of arbitrary constants in indefinite integrals, suggesting that differences in solutions can be absorbed into the constant \(C\).

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There are discussions about the notation for absolute values and the representation of constants in the context of indefinite integrals. Participants express uncertainty about the notation and its implications for their solutions.

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Homework Statement


\int \frac{1}{1+\sqrt{2x}}dx


Homework Equations



u=1+\sqrt{2x}

\sqrt{2x}=u-1

dx=(u-1)du

The Attempt at a Solution



I was able to get it down to:

\int (1-\frac{1}{u})du

= u-\ln{lul}}+C

= 1+\sqrt{2x}-\ln{l1+\sqrt{2x}l}+C

However, my book says that the solution to the integral is:

\sqrt{2x}-\ln{l{1+\sqrt{2x}l}+C (Without the 1 in front)

Why is this? Thanks in advance for your help!
 
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well i got

1+\sqrt{2x}-\ln{|1+\sqrt{2x}|+C

be careful with your re-substitution ... b/c you're "u-sub" was 1+\sqrt{2x} so you need parenthesis.
 
The difference between your answer and the books answer is a CONSTANT, 1. You also have a C in your answer. What does that tell you?
 
Dick said:
The difference between your answer and the books answer is a CONSTANT, 1. You also have a C in your answer. What does that tell you?

It means that C=-1 but how do you find that out? What points are there to substitute to obtain C?
 
rocophysics said:
well i got

1+\sqrt{2x}-\ln{|1+\sqrt{2x}|+C

be careful with your re-substitution ... b/c you're "u-sub" was 1+\sqrt{2x} so you need parenthesis.

How do you put absolute value signs around an expression? I've tried typing \abs{expression} but it doesn't work.
 
If you click on rocophysics answer, you'll see the tex. He just used a vertical bar. The point to the C thing is that an indefinite integral is only defined up to an arbitrary constant. You can absorb the 1 into the C (as the book answer did). If you take the derivative of both answers you'll get the same thing. You are both right.
 
Dick said:
If you click on rocophysics answer, you'll see the tex. He just used a vertical bar. The point to the C thing is that an indefinite integral is only defined up to an arbitrary constant. You can absorb the 1 into the C (as the book answer did). If you take the derivative of both answers you'll get the same thing. You are both right.

Ohh.. so my book just sucked in all of the constants and made it an arbitrary constant C to represent all constants (including +1)?

How do you put a vertical bar? I've tried inserting the lower case L but to no avail..
 
lLovePhysics said:
How do you put a vertical bar? I've tried inserting the lower case L but to no avail..

It should be a key on your keyboard above enter button. SHIFT+\ = |
 
lLovePhysics said:
Ohh.. so my book just sucked in all of the constants and made it an arbitrary constant C to represent all constants (including +1)?

How do you put a vertical bar? I've tried inserting the lower case L but to no avail..

Yes, they just sucked the 1 into the C.
 
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It's probably better to think of f(x) + C as representing a family of functions, rather than a function with some constant. That way;

It means that C=-1 but how do you find that out? What points are there to substitute to obtain C?

instead becomes a redundant question, since f(x) + 1 + C has exactly the same members as f(x) + C.
 
  • #11
Gib Z said:
It's probably better to think of f(x) + C as representing a family of functions, rather than a function with some constant. That way;



instead becomes a redundant question, since f(x) + 1 + C has exactly the same members as f(x) + C.

Yeah, I think it's better to think of it as a family of functions too. Thanks
 

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