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The discussion revolves around an integration function problem involving the identity function on R^n and the substitution of variables in the context of differentiation under the integral sign. Participants are exploring the implications of the identity condition on the function g and its relationship with other variables.

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  • Participants discuss the identity map on R and its implications for the function g. There are attempts to clarify the substitution of variables and the application of the chain rule in the context of differentiation under the integral sign. Questions arise regarding the validity of applying Leibniz's rule and the treatment of derivatives in the context of the integral.

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The discussion is active with participants questioning assumptions about the identity function and the application of differentiation techniques. Some participants suggest that further rigor is needed to prove certain results, while others explore the relationship between partial and ordinary derivatives in the context of integration.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the identity function and its application, as well as the treatment of differentials in the context of integration. Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Typing correction: g maps to R^n, and id_R should be id_R^n
Here id_R^n means the identity function on R^n. So the condition is saying g(x,b(x))=x.

Any ideas how to do this one? Should I begin with the substitution y=g(x,t)?
 
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I don't really know what an identity map on R actually is, but otherwise I can get it down to f(x) = f( g(x, \beta (x)).

EDIT: Am I right in assuming that it is sort of like the identity function h(x) = x, but for only the first variable? Basically I'm asking, if that condition the same as; g(x,\beta (a) ) = x as long as x,a \in \mathbb_{R}. If so, then my answer reduces down to f(x).
 
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I've retyped the condition g above.

So if the substitution y=g(x,t) is made, then when t = b(x), we have
y=g(x,b(x))=x by the condition on g.

Now f(g(x,t))=f(y) is now a function of y only, but y itself is a function of n+1 variables x_1,...,x_n, t. So now the chain rule when we take df(y)/dt will be ...
 
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But Leibnit'z rule involves taking the derivative wrt, say, x, with the integral is wrt, say, t. That's not what's happening here in this question. The integral is wrt to t and the partial derivative also wrt to t. Leibnitz's rule does not apply here.

Also, I don't think we can just cancel out the two dt 's in the integrand because they are not the same dt 's. I think more rigour is required to PROVE the result. I'm attempting to apply the chain rule here:

f(g(x,t))= (fog)(x,t) so by the chain rule, (fog)'(x,t) = f'(g(x,t)*g'(x,t) yields a 1x(n+1) matrix and we are interested in the component that gives df(g(x,t))/dt only. ...
 
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Using the chain rule, I get df(g(x,t))/dt to be a messy sum of n terms.

I need to know: Is [Df(g(x,t))/Dt]dt = df(g(x,t)), if the first D is partial derivative and the second d ordinary derivative ? If so, how do I prove that?
 
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mathboy said:
Is [Df(g(x,t))/Dt]dt = df(g(x,t)), if the first D is partial derivative and the second d ordinary derivative ? If so, how do I prove that?

I believe the answer is yes because in this case [Df(g(x,t))/Dt]dt is the integrand, and we are integrating with respect to t only. Thus we can view x as a constant (within the integral) and thus the partial derivative D/Dt can be treated as an ordinary derivative d/dt. Am I right?
 

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