Integration with trig substitution

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The problem involves evaluating an integral using trigonometric substitution, specifically focusing on the relationships between secant and tangent functions. Participants are discussing potential errors in the original poster's approach and the implications of certain algebraic manipulations.

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  • Participants explore the simplification of secant functions and question the conditions under which secant could be negative. There are discussions about the correctness of trigonometric identities and the significance of certain substitutions in the context of the integral.

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Several participants have provided hints regarding potential mistakes in the original poster's calculations, particularly concerning the evaluation of integrals and the use of trigonometric identities. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different trigonometric functions and their geometric interpretations.

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Participants note that the original problem lacks specific information about the limits of integration and the conditions under which certain trigonometric functions are positive or negative. The discussion also reflects on the importance of accurately applying trigonometric identities in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


The problem is the integral attached

Homework Equations


sec2(u)=(1+tan2(x))
a2+b2=c2
∫cos(u)=-sin(u)+C

The Attempt at a Solution


The solution is attached. I am wondering if someone could give me a hint where I went drastically wrong or where I possibly dropped a negative. Hopefully what will come of this is the latter.

Thank you in advance,

Ethan
 

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The one idea I have, by the way, is when I simplify the √sec2(x), it could become -sec(x). This is my only idea.
 
Ethan Godden said:
The one idea I have, by the way, is when I simplify the √sec2(x), it could become -sec(x). This is my only idea.
Yes, if sec(x) < 0, then ##\ \sqrt{\sec^2(x)\,}=-\sec (x)\ .##
 
how do I know sec(x)< 0? The only information given is the integral at the beginning and that a>0.
 
Ethan Godden said:

Homework Statement


The problem is the integral attached

Homework Equations


sec2(u)=(1+tan2(x))
a2+b2=c2
∫cos(u)=-sin(u)+C

The Attempt at a Solution


The solution is attached. I am wondering if someone could give me a hint where I went drastically wrong or where I possibly dropped a negative. Hopefully what will come of this is the latter.

Thank you in advance,

Ethan
I see two mistakes.
1. ##\int cos u du = sin u##, not -sin u
2. ##sec u = \frac {\sqrt{a^2 + x^2}}{a}##. You don't have that written down, and I suspect that you lost a factor of a in your simplification.
Ethan Godden said:
The one idea I have, by the way, is when I simplify the √sec2(x), it could become -sec(x). This is my only idea.
No, that would be plain old sec(x).
 
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Ethan Godden said:
how do I know sec(x)< 0? The only information given is the integral at the beginning and that a>0.
If ##0 \le u < \pi/2##, sec(u) will be positive. This is a reasonable assumption in your trig substitution.
 
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Mark44 said:
2. ##sec u = \frac {\sqrt{a^2 + x^2}}{a}##. You don't have that written down, and I suspect that you lost a factor of a in your simplification.

My only follow up question is why is this significant?

I am not at sin(u)/a. I know by the trig circle that the opposite side is equal to x, the adjacent side is a, and the hypotenuse is √(x2+a2 ). This means sin(u)=x/√(x2+a2 ). I don't know where the sec(u) back substitution came from.

Thank You,

Ethan
 
Ethan Godden said:
Thank you,
My only follow up question is why is this significant?

I am not at sin(u)/a. I know by the trig circle that the opposite side is equal to x, the adjacent side is a, and the hypotenuse is √(x2+a2 ). This means sin(u)=x/√(x2+a2 ). I don't know where the sec(u) back substitution came from.
I always draw a triangle when I do trig substitution -- I don't clutter up my brain with memorized forumulas that I might forget. In my triangle u is the acute angle I'm interested in. The adjacent side is a, the opposite side is x, the hypotenuse is ##\sqrt{a^2 + x^2}##. From this triangle I get ##tan u = \frac x a## and my expression for sec(u).
 
Mark44 said:
I always draw a triangle when I do trig substitution -- I don't clutter up my brain with memorized forumulas that I might forget. In my triangle u is the acute angle I'm interested in. The adjacent side is a, the opposite side is x, the hypotenuse is ##\sqrt{a^2 + x^2}##. From this triangle I get ##tan u = \frac x a## and my expression for sec(u).
I guess my main question is why are you dealing with sec(u) when the question ends up with sin(u)/a2. Shouldn't I be drawing a trig ciricle for sin(u) and not sec(u)?
 
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Ethan Godden said:
I guess my main question is why are you dealing with sec(u) when the question ends up with sin(u)/a2. Shouldn't I be drawing a trig ciricle for sin(u) and not sec(u)?
The sec(u) factor comes in because of the ##(a^2 + x^2)^{3/2}## in the denominator. In the triangle I described, ##\tan u = \frac x a## and ##\sec u = \frac{\sqrt{a^2 + x^2}}{a}##. I hope that's clear.

You use the triangle (not a trig "ciricle") to undo the substitution ##\tan u = \frac x a##. From the triangle you can figure out all of the trig relationships, including ##\sin u##.
 
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I would suggest omitting some of the unnecessary algebraic manipulations, like what you did with the denominator before doing the trig substitution.
$$(a^2+x^2)^{3/2} = (\sqrt{a^2+x^2})^3 = (\sqrt{a^2+a^2\tan^2 u})^3 = (a\sec u)^3$$ Fewer steps, easier to read for the grader, less chance of making a dumb algebra mistake, etc. Also, after you change variables to ##u##, the limits are no longer ##0## and ##a##. If you had changed the limits to ##u=0## to ##u=\pi/4##, you probably would have realized that ##\sec u > 0## and that your error lay elsewhere.
 
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