Intensity & Amplitude of Gaussian Beam

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between intensity and amplitude in Gaussian beams, focusing on the mathematical expressions that describe this relationship and the implications of different units and dimensions. Participants explore the definitions of intensity, irradiance, and the mathematical formulations relevant to Gaussian beam profiles in both one and two dimensions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that intensity (I) is proportional to the square of the amplitude (|A|²), with one participant seeking the proportionality constant.
  • One participant provides the equation for irradiance as I = ½ c εo Eo², where Eo is the amplitude of the electric field.
  • Another participant presents the intensity distribution for a Gaussian beam in one dimension: I(x) = [I0/σ(2π)0.5] exp[-x²/(2σ²)], noting that I0 is the total intensity.
  • Concerns are raised about the dimensionality of the Gaussian beam, with a participant emphasizing that the beam may not be Gaussian in just one transverse dimension and suggesting a two-dimensional distribution: I(x,y) = [I0/(σxσy2π)] exp[-x²/(2σx²) - y²/(2σy²)].
  • Some participants discuss the units of I0 and I(x,y), indicating that they differ and that the relationship between amplitude and intensity is proportional rather than equal.
  • One participant introduces the concept of the Poynting vector and its relation to power density, providing a more complex formulation involving electric and magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between intensity and amplitude, particularly regarding the proportionality constant and the dimensionality of the Gaussian beam. There is no consensus on the exact relationship or the appropriate units to use in the context of Gaussian beams.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their discussions, such as assumptions about the dimensionality of the beam and the definitions of intensity and amplitude in different unit systems. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the relationship between electric field amplitude and intensity.

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Can tell me the exact relationship between the intensity and the amplitude for a gaussian beam
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I know that I is proportional to |A|2 .. but i want the value of this proportianality constant
 
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It's more properly called the irradiance (assuming you want the power per unit area), and for any electromagnetic wave (not just Gaussian beams) the relation is
I = ½ c εo Eo2
where Eo is the amplitude of the electric field.
 
I(x) = [I0/σ(2π)0.5] exp[-x2/(2σ2)]

where ∫I(x) dx = I0 and σ is the rms width.

Bob S
 
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In engineering units you drop the "c" In the above intensity equation and you'll have Watts.
 
Bob S said:
I(x) = [I0/σ(2π)0.5] exp[-x2/(2σ2)]

where ∫I(x) dx = I0 and σ is the rms width.

Bob S
But that isn't in terms of the amplitude, as requested by the OP. You're also assuming the beam is Gaussian in just 1 transverse dimension. If the beam has a circularly symmetric intensity profile, things are different.

Antiphon said:
In engineering units you drop the "c" In the above intensity equation and you'll have Watts.
Actually, dropping the c gives the energy density in J/m3.
I'm using SI units. I'm not aware of any official "engineering units", unless you also mean the SI system?
 
Redbelly98 said:
But that isn't in terms of the amplitude, as requested by the OP. You're also assuming the beam is Gaussian in just 1 transverse dimension. If the beam has a circularly symmetric intensity profile, things are different.
I believe this is the correct normalized Gaussian beam distribution in two dimensions:

I(x,y) = [I0/(σxσy2π)] exp[-x2/(2σx2) - y2/(2σy2)]

where ∫I(x,y) dx dy = I0, and σx and σy are the rms widths in the x and y dimensions.

At any point x and y, the intensity is equal to the square of the amplitude.

Bob S
 
Bob S said:
I believe this is the correct normalized Gaussian beam distribution in two dimensions:

I(x,y) = [I0/(σxσy2π)] exp[-x2/(2σx2) - y2/(2σy2)]

where ∫I(x,y) dx dy = I0, and σx and σy are the rms widths in the x and y dimensions.
I0 is perhaps a poor choice of variable name, in that it has different units than I(x,y). I.e., I0 is in Watts and I(x,y) is W/m2.

At any point x and y, the intensity is equal to the square of the amplitude.

Bob S
Not in SI units, or Gaussian-cgs units either. Assuming "the amplitude" refers to the electric field (And I can't imagine what else it would mean.)

(Electric field)2 has units of energy/m3 in Gaussian units, or [energy/(charge*distance)]2 in SI units. Neither is consistent with intensity = energy/(time*distance2), so I maintain that the relationship is proportional, but not equal.
 
I had this image on hand, thought I would share it. This is a power cross section of a gaussian laser beam. Each color represents a power level. Other beam parameters are given to the left.

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Redbelly98 said:
I0 is perhaps a poor choice of variable name, in that it has different units than I(x,y). I.e., I0 is in Watts and I(x,y) is W/m2.Not in SI units, or Gaussian-cgs units either. Assuming "the amplitude" refers to the electric field (And I can't imagine what else it would mean.)

(Electric field)2 has units of energy/m3 in Gaussian units, or [energy/(charge*distance)]2 in SI units. Neither is consistent with intensity = energy/(time*distance2), so I maintain that the relationship is proportional, but not equal.
We consider a normalized bi-gaussian electromagnetic radiation beam traveling in the z direction.

The Poynting vector is P(x,y) = E(x,y) x H(x,y) watts/m2 at every point in space, where E(x,y) is in volts per meter, and H(x,y) is in amps per meter.

E(x,y)/H(x,y) = Z0 = 377 ohms in free space

So the power density is w(x,y) = E2(x,y)/(2·Z0) watts/m2

or E(x,y) = sqrt[2·Z0·w(x,y)] volts/m

where the bi-gaussian distribution is w(x,y) = [W0/(σxσy2π)] exp[-x2/(2σx2) - y2/(2σy2)] watts/m2

where the total beam power is W0 = ∫w(x,y) dx dy watts

Bob S
 
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