Gaussian Beam Focusing: Find A(0) at Beam Waist

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of a Gaussian beam as it is focused by a lens, specifically seeking to determine the area of the beam at the beam waist, A(0). Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved, the assumptions made in experimental setups, and the implications of those assumptions on the calculations of intensity and beam area.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experimental scenario where a student assumed the beam focused like a cone, leading to concerns about the validity of this approach due to potential for infinite intensity by choosing distances close to the beam waist.
  • The same participant proposes a mathematical relationship for beam area at the beam waist, A(f)/A(0) = (pi*w(f)^2)/(pi*w(0)^2), and expresses confusion over the variable w(0) and its implications for calculations.
  • Another participant questions the geometry of the setup and whether the intensity I(r,z) is known, seeking clarification on the properties of the refracted beam.
  • The initial poster confirms knowledge of I(r,z) and expresses uncertainty about the calculation method, indicating that the cone approximation may lead to significant errors.
  • A later reply suggests resources for further understanding Gaussian beam optics, indicating a variety of approaches to the problem may exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for calculating the beam properties or the validity of the cone approximation. There is ongoing uncertainty regarding the implications of the assumptions made in the experimental setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the variable w(0) and its role in calculations, as well as the potential for large errors in approximations used. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on the geometry and assumptions involved in Gaussian beam focusing.

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A Gaussian beam has an intensity I(r,z), if the beam area at position Z is given by A(Z), then the beam gets focused by a lens of focal length f, what will the area of the beam be at the beam waist A(0) be?

So I have been trying to figure this out for ages, I had to replicate an experiment in which a student simply assumed the beam focused like a cone, in which case you say the beam is 0 at the beam waist and the beam is "close" to the beam waist and choose/measure a distance. This seemed like pretty poor experimental work to me as you can make the intensity become infinitely large by "choosing/measuring" a value closer to the beam waist. In this scenario I have taken position z from the beam waist to be the focal distance f:

A(f)/A(0) = (pi*w(f)^2)/(pi*w(0)^2) = (w(f)/(w(0))^2 = (f/x)^2

x is the distance from the beam waist that a person "chooses" or "measures". To see the above equation, I found it constructive to draw out a cone and put in the values.

I read several Gaussian optics manuals and a better expression seems to be

A(f)/A(0) = (f/ZR)

Where ZR is the Rayleigh length and is given by

ZR = pi*w(0)^2/gamma

However the problem with this is that I don't know w(0). I read a limit for w(0)>/= 2*gamma/pi, however this seems to result is nonsensical answers.

If anyone here knows or works with lasers, perhaps you could help explain it to me?
 
Lemenks said:
A Gaussian beam has an intensity I(r,z), if the beam area at position Z is given by A(Z), then the beam gets focused by a lens of focal length f, what will the area of the beam be at the beam waist A(0) be?

So I have been trying to figure this out for ages, I had to replicate an experiment in which a student simply assumed the beam focused like a cone, in which case you say the beam is 0 at the beam waist and the beam is "close" to the beam waist and choose/measure a distance. This seemed like pretty poor experimental work to me as you can make the intensity become infinitely large by "choosing/measuring" a value closer to the beam waist. In this scenario I have taken position z from the beam waist to be the focal distance f:

A(f)/A(0) = (pi*w(f)^2)/(pi*w(0)^2) = (w(f)/(w(0))^2 = (f/x)^2

x is the distance from the beam waist that a person "chooses" or "measures". To see the above equation, I found it constructive to draw out a cone and put in the values.

I read several Gaussian optics manuals and a better expression seems to be

A(f)/A(0) = (f/ZR)

Where ZR is the Rayleigh length and is given by

ZR = pi*w(0)^2/gamma

However the problem with this is that I don't know w(0). I read a limit for w(0)>/= 2*gamma/pi, however this seems to result is nonsensical answers.

If anyone here knows or works with lasers, perhaps you could help explain it to me?

I'm a little unclear about your geometry: you seem to have a well-specified gaussian beam (do you know I(r,z) or not?) that is focused by a lens placed at a particular z = Z, and then you want to know the properties of the refracted beam?
 
Andy Resnick said:
I'm a little unclear about your geometry: you seem to have a well-specified gaussian beam (do you know I(r,z) or not?) that is focused by a lens placed at a particular z = Z, and then you want to know the properties of the refracted beam?
Yes I know the intensity at I(r,z) and need to calculate it at I(r,0) - sorry if I made it unclear. I was just a little confused as to the proper way of making this calculation, the beam focusing as a cone shape seemed too approximate and also to contain really large errors so I was trying to see if there was a batter method.
 
Lemenks said:
Yes I know the intensity at I(r,z) and need to calculate it at I(r,0) - sorry if I made it unclear. I was just a little confused as to the proper way of making this calculation, the beam focusing as a cone shape seemed too approximate and also to contain really large errors so I was trying to see if there was a batter method.

Not sure what you have tried already- have you used these resources:

http://www.newport.com/Gaussian-Beam-Optics/144899/1033/content.aspx
http://uigelz.eecs.umich.edu/classes/pub/ece355/handouts/example_gaussian_beam_focused_lens.pdf
http://nicadd.niu.edu/~piot/phys_630/Lesson3.pdf
 

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