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The discussion revolves around the nature of dark matter (DM) and its potential interactions with neutron stars, as well as speculative connections between dark matter and the absence of antimatter in the universe. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding the composition of dark matter and its implications for astrophysical phenomena.

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  • Some participants question what dark matter might be made from and its role in explaining the absence of antimatter.
  • One participant notes that the article discusses how dark matter may accumulate in neutron stars, potentially leading to black hole formation.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the article's speculative nature and its claims regarding dark matter's interaction with neutron stars.
  • A participant asserts that the disappearance of antimatter is not a mystery, attributing it to annihilation processes in the early universe, while noting the discovery of CP violations as a possible explanation for the matter-antimatter asymmetry.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions made in the article regarding dark matter concentration near the galactic core and its implications for orbital dynamics.
  • Some participants discuss the mechanics of dark matter particles changing orbits and the challenges associated with capturing dark matter by neutron stars.
  • References to existing research on the capture of dark matter by neutron stars are provided, indicating ongoing exploration in this area.

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Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the speculative nature of the article while others challenge its assumptions. There is no consensus on the nature of dark matter or its relationship to antimatter, and multiple competing hypotheses are presented.

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Limitations include the speculative nature of the article discussed, the lack of consensus on dark matter's properties, and the unresolved questions regarding the mechanics of dark matter interactions with neutron stars.

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In physics, something is "black" if it absorbs lots of the light that hits it - an ideal "black body" for instance absorbs all the light that hits it.
Being black, in this sense, does not stop something from also glowing,

For an object to be black in color, it need only absorb light in the visible spectrum.

Dark Matter (DM) by comparison, does not interact with light at all, light just passes right through, and it is a label to be used until we can figure out what is going on.
The article is about this sort of DM and how it may be interacting with the regular matter in Neutron stars to result in the statistical lack of neutron stars in the galactic core.
It goes on to tell you what sort of stuff this sort of DM would be consistent with. If the theory is right, and that's a big "if", then it narrows down the field of possibilities.

DM is unlikely to explain where all the regular antimatter ended up - why would anti-DM gravitating to anti-matter do anything special?
More likely a similar mechanism gave rise to the asymmetry of both types of matter.

The article is very speculative right now - it is not even clear how you'd be able to tell if a pulsar were dying due to dark matter or not and there are other possibilities for the lack of pulsars in the galactic core.
 
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Tanelorn said:
what might this kind of DM be made from?

The article doesn't propose any new type of dark matter. It only proposes that enough of it may be 'accumulating' in a neutron star to cause to to turn into a black hole.

Tanelorn said:
I also wondered could DM help explain in some way where all the anti matter ended up?

I suppose it's possible, but at this time it doesn't help us much as far as I know.
 
Simon, I meant dark. I seem to have written black instead of dark. Very strange.

The anti matter very long shot idea was just a brainstorming suggestion to solve two mysteries with "one stone"..
 
Tanelorn, you obviously are smart enough to realize this is a bunch of bull, so why parade it here?
 
Or at least give references to published papers or physics ArXiv eprints.

Garth
 
Sorry guys, it was a just spur of the moment, ASIDE QUESTION.
I only know that we have two mysteries and I just wondered if there was any connection there:

1. Where did all the anti-matter go?
2. What is dark matter made of and where did it come from? - and 5 times more DM mass than normal matter at that.

I am certainly not clever enough to know that there was definitely no connection.
 
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Tanelorn said:
Sorry guys, it was a just spur of the moment, ASIDE QUESTION.

I didn't have a problem with your post.
 
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Tanelorn said:
Where did all the anti-matter go?

That isn't a mystery; it all got annihilated by matter as the early universe expanded and cooled. The mystery is why there was a small amount of matter left over; ordinarily we would expect matter and antimatter to be created in equal quantities at the end of the inflation era, so the annihilation process would have left only radiation behind. However, the discovery of CP violations in the weak interaction provided a mechanism that could produced a slight asymmetry between matter and antimatter; this is currently believed to be the reason why our universe today contains matter but (practically) no antimatter.
 
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Thanks Peter, I am pretty sure I did know this, but apparently not yesterday.
 
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Is there a lack neutron stars in globular clusters as well?
 
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As I understand the observable gravitational effects of dark matter, the speculation introduced in the referenced article ignores much about these observations. I am sorry I cannot readily cite a source reference, but a major part of the dark matter in the universe is all around and through galactic clusters, not just in the galaxies. The behavior of the motion of galaxies in clusters requires this to be so.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
The article is about this sort of DM and how it may be interacting with the regular matter in Neutron stars to result in the statistical lack of neutron stars in the galactic core.
Drakkith said:
The article doesn't propose any new type of dark matter. It only proposes that enough of it may be 'accumulating' in a neutron star to cause to to turn into a black hole.
Hi @Simon Bridge and @Drakkith:

What I find puzzling about this idea is that there is an implication that there is a much higher concentration of DM near the galaxy core than the average in the halo. From recent dialogs in other threads, I have come to understand that in order for a DM particle to change its orbit relative to a central mass from one of large geometry to smaller, it has to get rid of its energy. Also, unlike baryonic matter, this is very unlikely since DM doesn't have interactions that can create photons to radiate away the orbital energy, as happens with baryonic matter.

Regards,
Buzz
 
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Buzz Bloom said:
... in order for a DM particle to change its orbit relative to a central mass from one of large geometry to smaller, it has to get rid of its energy. ...
I think the answer to this could be that not all orbits are perfectly circular. in fact that would probably be rare.
An eliptical orbit can have the orbiting object sometimes closer and sometimes further from the COM without needing to lose energy.
It only has to travel faster when nearer to the COM, and only gravity is involved.
 
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rootone said:
An eliptical orbit can have the orbiting object sometimes closer and sometimes further from the COM without needing to lose energy.
It only has to travel faster when nearer to the COM, and only gravity is involved.
Hi rootone:

The problem with a DM particle P in large elliptical orbit falling onto a neutron star (NS) is that P will have to hit the surface of NS, and that is a very tiny target. Also, the angle at which P hits NS may have further limiting constraints. AFAIK, no one has done any analysis about this possibility, calculating the fraction of the DM halo that might hit and be captured by the NS, that is, not just pass through a portion of the NS and continue its orbit.

Regards,
Buzz
 
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Maths for the capture of Dark Matter by Neutron stars has been done.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.2400
... I find many hits for this and other papers in a casual search.
 

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