Intermediate qm what should i know

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The discussion centers around the mathematical foundations and concepts of quantum mechanics (QM), particularly in relation to its connection with relativity. Participants express interest in the equations and mathematical structures that underpin QM, as well as those that may contradict relativistic principles. The scope includes theoretical aspects and the mathematical rigor involved in understanding QM.

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  • One participant expresses a desire to learn about the mathematical equations governing phenomena in QM, particularly those that contradict relativity, and seeks guidance on advanced topics.
  • Another participant claims that the mathematics of General Relativity is easier than that of Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Field Theory.
  • A participant highlights the importance of the Schrödinger Equation, eigenvalues, expectation values, and complex wave functions as fundamental concepts in elementary QM.
  • There is mention of the Dirac Equation as a way to connect QM with Special Relativity, along with references to perturbation theory and Fermi's Golden Rule for calculating particle interactions.
  • One participant inquires about the types of mathematics involved in QM, suggesting linear algebra as a basis.
  • A later reply elaborates on the advanced mathematical concepts necessary for QM, including functional analysis, spectral theorem, and the mathematics required for relativistic quantum theory, such as Clifford algebras and representation theory.
  • Another participant notes that Heisenberg's formulation of quantum mechanics using matrix calculus is equivalent to Schrödinger's approach, suggesting a preference for partial differential equations among physicists.

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Participants express differing views on the complexity of the mathematics involved in QM compared to relativity. There is no consensus on the specific mathematical prerequisites or the best approach to learning QM, indicating multiple competing perspectives.

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The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical concepts and the potential complexity involved in understanding quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to relativistic frameworks. Some assumptions about prior knowledge and mathematical background are present but not explicitly stated.

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i eventually wish to learn all that i possibly can, though atm i have only recently bothered with qm much at all. I have a near complete as i can get understanding of Relativity, have read the original papers by lorentz, einstein, and the like...so if you wish to base any comments on that view of things you may. What i am most interested in is Mathmatical equations governing any sort of phenomena explainable by qm, especially thouse that contradict relativity. If you could point me in the right direction i would be most greatfull. (no need to explain basics of the uncertainty principle and the like, and do not worry if comples math is involved I am working on my tensor calc atm, but i don't believe qm is quite as advanced in that respect in comparison to relativity).
 
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Trust me, the mathematics behind the General Theory of Relativity is far easier than the one involved in Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Field Theory...:rolleyes:

Daniel.
 
Elementary quantum mechanics is mostly based on the SCHRÖDINGER EQUATION. So you could take a look on this differential equation. Its fundamental. Then with this equation you should know something about "EIGENVALUES" and quantum mechanical "EXPECTATION VALUES" and "DEFIATIONS" and of course something about boulding "COMPLEX WAVE FUNCTIONS".

Well this is basic. If you want to connect QM with SR you can make your introduction via the "DIRAC EQUATION" (this is a common intro) and QFT with the quantization of the harmonic oscillator and the electromagnetic field.

If you can all that you've a fundamental knowledge. You can then calculate quite easy some simpel interactions between particle. and make an approach to calculate for example "Fermis Golden Rule", i.e. easy scattering processes (what you should know then is PERTURBATION THEORY).

So this a short review.
 
thank you greatly kruger, and on the note of dexter, what sort of math is then involved in qm...i would assume some sort of linear algebra would be the basis.
 
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What i am most interested in is Mathmatical equations governing any sort of phenomena explainable by qm, especially thouse that contradict relativity. If you could point me in the right direction i would be most greatfull.
Quantum Mechanics by I V Savelev , "Fundamentals Of Theoretical Physics" is a great start.
 
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thank you greatly kruger, and on the note of dexter, what sort of math is then involved in qm...i would assume some sort of linear algebra would be the basis.

Only dextercioby can speak for himself, but he might mean that if the mathematics of quantum theory is considered by the standards of mathematics, then stuff like the spectral theorem for unbounded self-adjoint operators, worrying about (possibly dense) domains of operators and commutators, rigged hilbert spaces, etc. This is functional analysis - linear algebra extended to an infinite number of dimensions and combined with analysis.

And that's just for non-relativistic quantum mechanics.

For relativistic quantum theory including the standard model, stuff like clifford algebras and spinors, operator-valued distributions, and the representation theory of Lie algebras and Lie groups is needed.

Regards,
George
 
Heisenberg stated quantum mechanics with matrix calculus, which was shown to be equivalent to Schrödinger's with partial differentials. partial differentions seem to be quite more adorable to physicsts, i guess.
 

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