Interpreting the Wave-Number in the Formula for Group Velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the wave-number in the formula for group velocity, specifically v_g = dω/dk. Participants explore the implications of this relationship in the context of wave packets, particularly under conditions of dispersion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the interpretation of the wave-number in the group velocity formula, questioning its significance.
  • Another participant suggests that the non-linear relationship between ω and k means that the slope dω/dk varies with ω or k, implying a dynamic interpretation.
  • A different participant seeks clarification on how to determine the wave number associated with specific points within the wave packet.
  • One participant asserts that the wave number pertains to the entire wave packet rather than individual points, proposing methods to derive it from the wavelength or frequency spectrum.
  • A later reply challenges the previous assertion, emphasizing that dispersion causes different parts of the wave packet to travel at different velocities, and questions the validity of using a wave number that can be arbitrarily chosen.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views regarding the interpretation of wave-number in the context of group velocity and the effects of dispersion on wave packets.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining wave-number in relation to group velocity, particularly under conditions of dispersion, and the potential arbitrariness in selecting a wave number.

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You people know that group velocity of a wave packet is calculated with the formula v_g=\frac{d \omega}{d k}.But this gives an expression which,in general,is a function of k.My problem is,I can't think of an interpretation for it.What is that wave-number appearing in the expression for group velocity?
Thanks
 
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I'm not sure what is confusing about this. As long as ω and k are not related linearly, the slope dω/dk will change with ω or k.
 
I know that different points of the wave packet move with different velocities,but I want to know how can I find the wave number associated to each point of the wave packet.
 
The wave number is associated with the entire packet, not with different parts of the packet.

A couple of ways to get the wave number are:

1. Use the wavelength, or perhaps the average wavelength, for the oscillations within the wave packet.

2. Look at the frequency spectrum of the wave packet, and use the peak or average frequency in that spectrum to determine the wave number.
 
I can't accept what you say!
In the presence of dispersion,any wave packet,in general,will lose shape which means different parts of it move with different velocities.
Also computing group velocity with a wave number which can be chosen between some alternatives seems a little arbitrary!
 

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