Intersection of a few surfaces

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The discussion revolves around the intersections of geometric surfaces, specifically a cone, a sphere, and a plane. Participants explore the nature of these intersections and seek to visualize them effectively.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the expected outcomes of intersections between a cone and a sphere, a sphere and a plane, and a plane and a cone. There are questions about the correctness of these intersections and the desire for better visualization tools.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the intersections with some participants providing insights and suggestions for visualization tools. Multiple interpretations of the intersections are being considered, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the initial claims.

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Participants mention the limitations of visualizing 3-D figures on paper and express a need for software to aid in understanding these geometric concepts. There are references to historical approaches to conic sections and the challenges of visualizing intersections with Platonic solids.

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Summary:: Describe what the intersection of the following surfaces - one on one - would look like? Cone, sphere and plane.

My answers :

(1) A cone intersects a sphere forming a circle.

(2) A sphere intersects a plane forming a circle.

(3) A plane intersects a cone forming (a pair of?) straight lines.

Are these correct?

I wish we could have a 3-D tool to visualise.
Any suggestions?
 
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brotherbobby said:
I wish we could have a 3-D tool to visualise. Any suggestions?
A pencil
 
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We can't visualise 3-D figures on paper. A software would be ideal.
 
brotherbobby said:
We can't visualise 3-D figures on paper. A software would be ideal.
Oh, we can! At least since the last 33,000 years:
intings_from_the_Chauvet_cave_%28museum_replica%29.jpg

(Wikipedia)

You may want to look up perspective painting and conic sections.

Btw.: The answer to your question is no. And here is your software.
 
brotherbobby said:
We can't visualise 3-D figures on paper. A software would be ideal
You mean a program to https://all3dp.com/1/best-free-3d-printing-software-3d-printer-program/ ? Still difficult to meaningfully visualize the intersections :frown:
 
Something on the computer will do. I am trying to understand how, for a point on the Earth's surface, the (unit) vector ##\hat e_r## points in a direction vertically upwards, ##\hat e_{\theta}## points along the south at that point and ##\hat e_{\phi}## points along the east. I have used a program to do something of the kind which I paste below.

1611504795602.png


I can get the directions of directions of ##\hat e_r## and ##\hat e_{\theta}##. It is ##\hat e_{\phi}## pointing to the east that am strugging with.
 
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On a serious note: I am really impressed by nowadays means to visualize things and to support the didactic process with software. But to get anywhere, students should at some point also train their own powers of abstraction and skills of visually rendering.

Perhaps you'll like Sketchup (Google) or SketchBook (AutoCad) ?
 
These are very specific planes and by no means generic: leave the equatorial plane, move the tangential plane inwards.
 
brotherbobby said:
(1) A cone intersects a sphere forming a circle.
(3) A plane intersects a cone forming (a pair of?) straight lines.
There are more (and far more interesting) options for these.
 
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brotherbobby said:
Something on the computer will do. I am trying to understand how, for a point on the Earth's surface, the (unit) vector ##\hat e_r## points in a direction vertically upwards, ##\hat e_{\theta}## points along the south at that point and ##\hat e_{\phi}## points along the east. I have used a program to do something of the kind which I paste below.

[snip]

I can get the directions of directions of ##\hat e_r## and ##\hat e_{\theta}##. It is ##\hat e_{\phi}## pointing to the east that am strugging with.

GeoGebra is great!

This visualization I made might help
https://www.geogebra.org/m/sjzxecxm
1611604738318.png


To get ##\hat e_{\phi}## , use the cross product of ##\hat e_r## and ##\hat e_{\theta}##.
 
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Thank you. I can "see" how ##\hat e_{\phi}## is directed to the "east" at the point in question. I was trying to imagine myself sitting at the center of the sphere and looking at the point and struggling.
 
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brotherbobby said:
Thank you. I can "see" how ##\hat e_{\phi}## is directed to the "east" at the point in question. I was trying to imagine myself sitting at the center of the sphere and looking at the point and struggling.
Plane and sphere is easy, since you can always find a coordinate system such that the plane is parallel to the equatorial plane. It's the other two which weren't correct.
 
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Plane and cone intersections have been investigated since Euclid's days by people who didn't even have pencils as such. These intersections are known as conic sections.
 
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If you care for a real challenge, try a plane intersecting Platonic solids.
 

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