Introduction to Theory of Quintics

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The discussion revolves around the theory of quintics, specifically focusing on Tschirnhausen transformations and associated algorithms for solving quintic equations. Participants explore the graphical representation of these transformations and the various methods involved, including Glasser's derivation and the Kiepert algorithm.

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  • One participant presents a graph detailing Tschirnhausen transformations and the algorithms for solving quintics, noting the effectiveness and popularity of various methods.
  • Another participant inquires about the order of hypergeometric functions referenced in the schematic, suggesting a possible misunderstanding regarding the specific function type.
  • A subsequent reply confirms the order of the hypergeometric function as $_4F_3$, while also noting that Glasser's method typically results in $_6F_5$, but a reduction to $_4F_3$ is achievable.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for the thread and references a paper by M.L. Glasser, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the specifics of hypergeometric functions and their orders, indicating some uncertainty in the details of the transformations and methods discussed. No consensus is reached regarding the exact nature of the hypergeometric functions mentioned.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the effectiveness of various algorithms and the specific transformations involved, which may depend on definitions not fully explored in the thread.

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This is a graph containing the main Tschirnhausen transformations of a general quintic and the algorithms to solve them. The methods would be explicitly described most probably elsewhere in this forum

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/1786._xfImport

  • The lower-most nodes are the elementariest functions to which the root of a general quintic can be extracted.
  • In any sub-graph of the above, the lowermost elements are the form reduced from the topmost elements via Tschirnhausen transformations.
  • Deeper colors indicates the effectiveness of the algorithm in computational research, as well as popularity.
  • Dotted lines indicates a reduction that is non-obvious although not a part of the interest, in most cases.
  • Black lines indicates a transformation that is not part of the algorithm.
  • The red arrows indicate the Kiepert algorithm, which I like to call Kiepert-Perron algorithm.
  • The green arrows indicate Glasser's derivation.
  • The magenta-like colors indicate Hasner's method and Kronecker-Brioschi derivation respectively.

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This is a commentary thread for "http://mathhelpboards.com/math-notes-49/introduction-theory-quintics-8208.html"

Any comments/question pertaining to the tutorial should be posted here instead of the tutorial thread.
 
Superb thread, Balarka! :D

On the bottom RHS of the schematic you posted, what's the order of the "hypergeometric functions" mentioned? I'm assuming 3F2 rather than 2F1, but might well be wrong, hence my asking...

Thanks! (Hug)

Gethin
 
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On the bottom RHS of the schematic you posted, what's the order of the "hypergeometric functions" mentioned?

That'd be $_4F_3$. In general, Glasser's method gives you $_6F_5$, but a two fold reduction to $_4F_3$ is possible.
 
mathbalarka said:
That'd be $_4F_3$. In general, Glasser's method gives you $_6F_5$, but a two fold reduction to $_4F_3$ is possible.

Thanks, Balarka! (Handshake)

I missed this one at the time, but just came across the following paper by M.L. Glasser yesterday...

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