Introductory Book on Differential Geometry

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for introductory books on differential geometry, particularly in the context of studying general relativity. Participants explore various texts, their suitability for different audiences (mathematicians vs. physicists), and the specific content covered in each book.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks recommendations for introductory differential geometry books relevant to general relativity.
  • Several participants suggest specific titles, including "Modern Differential Geometry for Physicists" by Isham, "Applied Differential Geometry" by William Burke, and John M. Lee's books on smooth manifolds and Riemannian geometry.
  • One participant notes that while Isham's book is good, it is more suited for understanding Yang-Mills theory rather than general relativity.
  • Another participant mentions "Introduction To Differential Geometry and Riemannian Geometry" by Erwin Kreyszig as a suitable option, despite its lack of popularity.
  • Concerns are raised about Kreyszig's book being old-fashioned and primarily focused on local coordinates, which may not align with modern approaches that favor coordinate independence.
  • Additional recommendations include books by Manfredo Perdigão do Carmo, Tu, Spivak, Darling, Lang, and Conlon, with varying opinions on their merits and prerequisites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the suitability of various texts for the intended audience, with some agreeing on the merits of certain books while others raise concerns about prerequisites and content focus. No consensus is reached on a single recommended text.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that certain recommended books may require more mathematical background than typical physics students possess, and there are discussions about the relevance of the content to general relativity versus other areas of physics.

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Hey,

I was wondering if anyone could recommend an introductory book for differential geometry. I am studying general relativity and need some help with this topic.

Thanks.
 
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"Applied Differential Geometry" by William Burke
 
"Introduction to smooth manifolds", and "Riemannian manifolds: an introduction to curvature" by John M. Lee. These books are great. The only problem is that you need both of them. Everything about connections, geodesics, covariant derivative and curvature is in the second book. It don't think there can be a better place to read about those things than this book.

I like Isham's book too. I think he covers some concepts, in particular the tangent space, even better than Lee. But it's not really an introduction to the differential geometry you need to understand GR. It's an introduction to the differential geometry you need to understand Yang-Mills theory. So he talks a lot about Lie groups and fiber bundles, which you don't need right now, and doesn't say much about geodesics and curvature.
 
Thanks for the suggestions!

Isham's book was a little to advanced. I was able to find one though to suit my needs. It doesn't look like it is too popular but its called "Introduction To Differential Geometry and Reimannian Geometry By: Erwin Kreyszig"
 
fys iks! said:
Isham's book was a little to advanced.
I very much doubt that, but as I said, it's going in the wrong direction for you. It's preparing the reader for Yang-Mills theory, not GR.

fys iks! said:
I was able to find one though to suit my needs. It doesn't look like it is too popular but its called "Introduction To Differential Geometry and Reimannian Geometry By: Erwin Kreyszig"
His functional analysis book is very popular, so he seems to know how to write good books. I'm sure it's fine, but it's hard to beat Lee. Hm, there's also a book by a guy named Manfredo Perdigão do Carmo that's getting good reviews at Amazon.
 
Fredrik said:
I very much doubt that
It does require more mathematical prequisites than most physics students have.
His functional analysis book is very popular, so he seems to know how to write good books. I'm sure it's fine,
His FA book is ok. But if we're talking about https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486667219/?tag=pfamazon01-20 (perhaps an expanded version including Riemannian Geometry?), I have to warn OP: this is pretty old-fashioned! Everything is done in local coordinates, and mostly in three dimensions. Compare this book with something like Lee, and you'll see they are almost disjoint.
but it's hard to beat Lee. Hm, there's also a book by a guy named Manfredo Perdigão do Carmo that's getting good reviews at Amazon.
Lee is pretty good in my opinion, but of course it's not the only one. These all have their merits:

Tu - An Introduction to Manifolds
Spivak - A comprehensive introduction to differential geometry Vol I
Darling - Differential Forms and Connections
Lang - Introduction to Differentiable Manifolds
Conlon - Differentiable Manifolds
Barden, Thomas - An Introduction to Differential Manifolds
 
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Landau said:
It does require more mathematical prequisites than most physics students have.
Don't they all? :smile:

Landau said:
I have to warn OP: this is pretty old-fashioned! Everything is done in local coordinates, and mostly in three dimensions.
Ughh...that sucks. I want everything to be as coordinate-independent as possible. I retract my "I'm sure it's fine" comment.
 

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