Inverse function of a quarter circle gives me same function

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The discussion revolves around the properties of inverse functions, specifically in the context of the function representing a quarter circle in the first quadrant, defined as y = f(x) = √(1-x²). Participants explore the relationship between the function and its inverse, as well as the implications of calculating derivatives and the reflection property of inverse functions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating the derivative of the function and notes that they obtained the same expression for the derivative as the original function.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of the derivative calculation and suggests that there is a specific formula for the derivative of an inverse function.
  • Several participants clarify that the reflection property of inverse functions about the line y=x does not change the graph of the function.
  • One participant mistakenly conflates the derivative symbol with the notation for an inverse function, leading to further clarification requests.
  • Another participant points out that the function y = √(1-x²) is symmetric in x and y, implying that it is its own inverse.
  • A participant inquires about the general relationship between inverse functions and derivatives, suggesting a curiosity about their interconnectedness.
  • One participant provides a formula relating the derivatives of a function and its inverse, using the chain rule to explain the relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the reflection property of inverse functions and the symmetry of the specific function discussed. However, there is disagreement regarding the calculation of the derivative and the understanding of inverse functions, leading to some confusion and clarification requests.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between derivatives and inverse functions, as well as the notation used for inverse functions in LaTeX. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in the context of derivative calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of mathematics, particularly those interested in calculus, inverse functions, and their properties.

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Is this normal? it doesn't seem correct.
The equation for the portion of circle with radius 1 unit in the 1st Quadrant is:
## y = f(x) = \sqrt{1-x^2} ## Domain is 0<x

But when I calculate f'(x) I also get
## f'(x) = \sqrt{1-x^2} ##
I thought inverse functions always reflect about y=x. Please help...confused...thanks
 
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You are calculating the derivative incorrectly.
 
jaysquestions said:
Is this normal? it doesn't seem correct.
The equation for the portion of circle with radius 1 unit in the 1st Quadrant is:
## y = f(x) = \sqrt{1-x^2} ## Domain is 0<x

But when I calculate f'(x) I also get
## f'(x) = \sqrt{1-x^2} ##
Please show the work to get the above (which is wrong).
jaysquestions said:
I thought inverse functions always reflect about y=x. Please help...confused...thanks
What does your work have to do with inverse functions? There is a formula for the derivative of the inverse of a function. Is that what you're doing?
 
jaysquestions said:
But when I calculate f'(x) I also get
## f'(x) = \sqrt{1-x^2} ##
I thought inverse functions always reflect about y=x. Please help...confused...thanks

If you draw graph of the function and the line y=x you should quickly see that reflection about y=x doesn't change the graph.

Assuming you meant f'(x) to be the inverse function of f(x) and not the derivative.
 
Sorry for the confusion I didn't mean derivative at all I meant inverse. I was having probs trying to make latex show a superscript -1. (actually I still can't do it)
 
Mark44 said:
Please show the work to get the above (which is wrong).

What does your work have to do with inverse functions? There is a formula for the derivative of the inverse of a function. Is that what you're doing?
I meant inverse, i thought it was the same as the derivative symbol, plus I couldn't get f^-1(x) in latex
 
jaysquestions said:
I meant inverse, i thought it was the same as the derivative symbol, plus I couldn't get f^-1(x) in latex
##f^{-1}(x)##

Renders as ##f^{-1}(x)##
 
Yes, inverse functions always "reflect about y= x". And the function, y= \sqrt{1- x^2} is the same as x^2+ y^2= 1 in the first quadrant it is symmetric in x and y- solving for x or y give exactly the same thing- the function is the same as its inverse function. There a number or functions that are the same as their inverses:
y= x, y= 1- x, y= 1/x, ...
 
thanks for the answers and the latex tip for inverse functions.
Do inverse functions have some sort of relationship to derivatives and if so what is the relationship? (just in generality I mean) I know that derivative of fcn is the slope and that inverse of fcn reflects about x-axis, so do they all relate together in some way?
thanks
 
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If f(x) has inverse function f^{-1}(x) then f^{-1}(f(x))= 1. Differentiating both sides of that with respect to x, using the "chain rule" on the left, \frac{df^{-1}(f(x))}{dx}\frac{df}{dx}= 1 so \frac{df^{-1}(f(x))}{dx}= \frac{1}{\frac{df}{dx}}
 

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