Is 28 Too Late for Scientific Breakthroughs?

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The discussion centers on the belief that significant scientific contributions, particularly in physics and mathematics, are predominantly made by young men, with historical figures like Einstein, Heisenberg, and Newton often cited as examples. Participants debate whether the age of 28, where many now earn their PhDs, can still be considered a "golden period" for scientific achievement, contrasting it with the earlier ages of 21 to 25 seen in past luminaries. Some argue that this perception may be a myth, suggesting that factors such as family responsibilities and career progression could impact productivity in older scientists. The conversation also touches on gender dynamics in science, with comments highlighting the historical exclusion of women and questioning the implications of attributing scientific prowess primarily to young men. Overall, the thread explores the complexities of age, gender, and societal expectations in the context of scientific innovation.
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people said that most great ideas and developments in sciences (especially physics and mathematics) are made by young men.

For example, Einstein, Heisenberg, Newton, Ramanujan, and so on.

Nowadays, we see that most peiople get their phD at nearly 28. Do you think 28 is stilla Golden Period?

For the scientists and mathematicians I list above, their "golden period" are around 21~25.

Do you agree that, 28 is no longer the best period to do science?
 
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How do we know this isn't simply a manfestation of the time? No, I don't buy into this. In fact, I think most scientist would rip apart such a circumstantial claim given most any other subject.

Edit: Btw, I realize that this is a commonly held belief, but I think is a bit of scientific myth. :biggrin:
 
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"Mathematics is a young man's game" -- G H Hardy
 
"Young men should prove theorems, old men should write books." - GH Hardy

A vacuous piece of evidence- all Fields Medallists have been under the age of 40. :wink:

Ramanujan isn't a very fair example though, he didn't have much of a chance at old age.
 
erdos was still pounding out papers when he died @ 83 (?) but he didn't have family or any admin responsibilities, as many grad students, post-docs & junior faculty are likely to not have. later on as a scientist/etc gets older & moves up the ranks i would think they would have more of that stuff to deal with. it may be that once someone gets their name out their there isn't as much drive as there used to be as well.
 
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Euler was sure pounding out until his 70s.
 
Young men indeed. Certainly not women, god no, a woman doing mathematics? When would she have time to do cooking?

It's chauvinism.

 
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Oh wait, this whole thread is about making insults to old people. Eh.
 
Rach3 said:
Young men indeed. Certainly not women, god no, a woman doing mathematics? When would she have time to do cooking?

It's chauvinism.

oh, I apologize for this!
 
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maybe this thread should be changed to "Science, a game for Young people", unless you want to insinuate women are less capable than men when it comes to science.

It does appear that most scientists bang out their best work when they're young, but that could be down to a ton of factors that aren't because they're 'old' (e.g. family responsibilities)
 
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Mk said:
Euler was sure pounding out until his 70s.

i'm pretty sure he somehow had ~20 kids too.
 
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so, shall we speed up to get a phD before we reach 26?

Or just "step-by-step"?
 

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