Is a pure state a kind of mixed states?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pure states and mixed states in quantum mechanics, specifically whether a pure state can be considered a type of mixed state. It also touches on the implications of quantum observation and measurement on these states.

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  • One participant questions if a pure state belongs to mixed states, presenting a density operator representation.
  • Another participant asserts that while both pure and mixed states can be represented using density operators, pure states are not classified as mixed states in standard terminology.
  • It is noted that quantum jumps by observation are applicable to both pure and mixed states.
  • A participant expresses interest in the role of recording observed values in determining whether a state is pure or mixed, referencing specific postulates from literature.
  • Another participant explains that pure states are represented by projection operators and emphasizes the significance of this representation in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding physical implications like the existence of fermions.

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Participants express differing views on whether pure states can be considered a subset of mixed states, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is also a general agreement that quantum jumps by observation apply to both types of states.

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Participants reference specific postulates and equations from literature, indicating that the discussion may depend on interpretations of these sources. The distinction between pure and mixed states is not universally agreed upon, and the implications of measurement and observation are still being explored.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in understanding the nuances of state representation and the implications of measurement in quantum theory.

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Hi.
1. Does a pure state belong to mixed states

\hat{\rho}=\sum_k p_k|\psi_k><\psi_k| where ##p_k=1## for k=i and otherwise 0 ?
2. Does quantum jump by observation work for both mixed and pure states ?
Your teachings will be appreciated.
 
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If we use density operators to represent states, both pure states and mixed states can be represented in the same formalism. In the usual terminology, pure states are not mixed states.

The quantum jump by observation works for both pure and mixed states.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1110.6815
The modern tools of quantum mechanics (A tutorial on quantum states, measurements, and operations)
Matteo G. A. Paris
See postulates II.4 and II.5 on p9

https://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3526
"No Information Without Disturbance": Quantum Limitations of Measurement
Paul Busch
See Eq 3 and 4
 
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I will read them fully. Thanks a lot.
atyy said:
See postulates II.4 and II.5 on p9
I thought pure states always take place after observation of both pure and mixed states. II5 tells us that mixed states appear if we do not record observed values. It is very interesting that recording or memory matters physics.
 
You prepare a pure state, e.g., by performing a simultaneous von-Neumann-filter measurement of a complete set of observables, and indeed states are most conveniently described by statistical operators, which are of the form as you wrote. They are self-adjoint positive semi-definite operators with trace 1. The pure states are exactly the projection operators, where exactly one of the ##p_k## is 1 and thus all others 0.

One cannot overstress the importance of the fact that pure states are NOT represented by unit vectors in Hilbert space but by the corresponding projection operators or, equivalently, unit rays in Hilbert space. In other words overall phase factors are not physical, and this has a lot of important consequences. One of the most important is that you can have half-integer spin and fermions. Our entire existence as living beings rests on the existence of fermions!
 

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