Is an electric field always changing?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of electric fields, specifically addressing whether an electric field is always changing and exploring concepts related to uniform electric fields, the inverse-square law, and voltage in relation to charged objects. The conversation includes theoretical aspects and practical implications relevant to electrostatics.

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  • Some participants discuss the meaning of a uniform electric field, noting that it implies the force does not depend on position.
  • Others clarify that the inverse-square law applies specifically to spherically symmetric charge distributions, while different charge arrangements yield different field behaviors.
  • There is mention of how a long line of charges produces a field that decreases as 1/r, while a flat sheet generates a constant field that changes sign at its position.
  • One participant reflects on their high school physics experience, recalling the derivation of equations for parallel plates and confirming that their field does not depend on distance r.
  • A question is raised regarding the concept of voltage for a conducting sphere, specifically why the voltage is defined in relation to the radius of the sphere and how it relates to infinity.
  • A response provides formulas for voltage inside and outside a conducting sphere and explains the concept of potential energy in relation to assembling charges.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and behaviors of electric fields in various configurations, but there are unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of voltage and its relationship to distance and charge distribution.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about charge distributions and the definitions of electric fields and voltage, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying electrostatics, educators looking for clarification on electric field concepts, and anyone interested in the theoretical underpinnings of voltage and electric fields.

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With respect to 1/r^2 since the force decreases ? What does a uniform electric field mean then?
 
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A uniform electric field means that the force does not depend on position.
The inverse-square law is only for a spherically symmetric charge distribution - you can arrange the charges into other shapes.
 
Simon Bridge said:
A uniform electric field means that the force does not depend on position.
The inverse-square law is only for a spherically symmetric charge distribution - you can arrange the charges into other shapes.
So you mean point particles or spheres right? So a parallel plate wouldn't be 1/r^2 dependence right?
 
That is correct - at long ranges quite a few things look like spheres.

A long line of charges has a field that falls off as 1/r and a flat sheet has a constant field that switches sign at the sheet position. 2 parallel plates, opposite charge, have a uniform field between the plates but zero outside... and so on.

Fields can get much more complicated.
The field due to two or more charged spheres does different things in different directions.
... and there are more shapes than those to choose from.

If you are doing an electrostatics course you will get to calculate some of the fields for simpler distributions of charge.
 
Simon Bridge said:
That is correct - at long ranges quite a few things look like spheres.

A long line of charges has a field that falls off as 1/r and a flat sheet has a constant field that switches sign at the sheet position. 2 parallel plates, opposite charge, have a uniform field between the plates but zero outside... and so on.

Fields can get much more complicated.
The field due to two or more charged spheres does different things in different directions.
... and there are more shapes than those to choose from.

If you are doing an electrostatics course you will get to calculate some of the fields for simpler distributions of charge.
Yeah I'm in high school physics and now that I think about it we derived the equations for these and i do remember two parallel plates not depending on r at all. That makes perfect sense! Thank you. I was also hoping. You could elucidate the topic of voltage as well? In my book it says a conducting sphere has voltage equal to 4pi epsilon times 1/radius of sphere relative to infinity. Well I get the infinity part but I'm wondering why the generic "r" is equal to the radius of the sphere? I mean wouldn't it have to be infinity minus r (which is just infinity and therefore makes the voltage 0?). Basically if you take it relative to infinity and you know of no other charges then how does it have voltage? Thanks for the help
 
For a conducting sphere radius R and charge Q:

- when ##r\greq R## the voltage is $$V=\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r}$$

- when ##r<R## the voltage is $$V=0##

That help?

The voltage is the potential energy per unit charge.

The potential energy stored in an object is the amount of work you have to do to assemble the object from a condition where none of the bits exert any forces on each other.

So you can imagine that all the little charges that make up the sphere - the only place they can have zero force on each other is for them all to be an infinite distance apart. Moving the same charges closer together than that requires work to overcome their mutual repulsion. That is how we know it has a voltage.
 
Yeah dude thanks for the help broski !
 
No worries.
Enjoy.
 

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