Is China the New Benchmark for Progress in Science and Morality?

[Pengwuino]

On another forum (full of a bunch of idiots like me), someone started out a thread called "Morality vs. Science" which contained this great quote

Here in the US - it's the Right versus Left ideology; which can put a hamper on progress thru legislative regulations. Countries like China, don't believe their moral valuations shouldn't drive the scientific free-market, though. Which has allowed them actual progress.

A few pages later, one of the people who actually has a brain on her head says

The irony of China being brought up as a good model for something in a thread entitled "Morality VS Science" is supremely astounding. When they stop violating basic human rights by throwing people in jail for making twitter posts that question the government, we can examine them further as an economic model.

With that, I propose a new Godwin's Law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving China approaches 1".

So it is written, so it shall come to pass.

 

[ideasrule]

What do economic models have to do with either morality or science? Anyhow, I don't see how China's human rights abuses disprove their economic model.

 

[Pengwuino]

What do economic models have to do with either morality or science?

Unimportant. Continue.

Actually I didn't bother reading the thread because the political section over there is a wasteland of idiocy. I just wanted to pull that part out to prove my point.

Anyhow, I don't see how China's human rights abuses disprove their economic model.

Look harder.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

With enough Godwin's Laws, you can cover every conversation and deplete all meaning from Godwin's Law. Godwin's Law XLII: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving one of Godwin's Laws approaches 1.

 

[JaredJames]

Actually I didn't bother reading the thread because the political section over there is a wasteland of idiocy.

This is either a sarcastic remark on PF's P&WA or you've truly found a place worse than the sub-forum that is the a-hole of this site.

 

[Proton Soup]

Unimportant. Continue.

Actually I didn't bother reading the thread because the political section over there is a wasteland of idiocy. I just wanted to pull that part out to prove my point.

but do the facts support your conclusion? does science really advance faster in china? do they not have their own morals and superstitions that impede progress in other ways?

if you go look at their property bubble, then you have to seriously question things like central planning. how much science could have progressed if people were not investing in building shopping malls and housing that no one wants or can afford to live in?

 

[ideasrule]

Look harder.

It's possible to have a successful economy without political freedom, and it's possible to have a free economy without political freedom. The best example is probably China itself, so I don't know what that user's point was.

 

[Pengwuino]

This is either a sarcastic remark on PF's P&WA or you've truly found a place worse than the sub-forum that is the a-hole of this site.

... PF's P&WA forum is like a diamond encrusted golden crown when it comes to online political discussions. Hell, most political subforums on the internet have the second post in every thread as "THE NAZIS WANTD UNVERSL HELTH CARE! YOUR A NAZI!"

but do the facts support your conclusion? does science really advance faster in china? do they not have their own morals and superstitions that impede progress in other ways?

No idea, those posts I quoted weren't mine. I have no opinion on the matter.

It's possible to have a successful economy without political freedom, and it's possible to have a free economy without political freedom. The best example is probably China itself, so I don't know what that user's point was.

Probably true but is that something to strive for?