Is computer science the next physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential future of computer science in relation to physics, particularly the idea of computers conducting physics experiments autonomously. Participants explore the implications of this concept, the relationship between computer science and physics, and the potential for computers to generate original scientific expressions based on empirical data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in the future, computers could autonomously conduct physics experiments and derive equations like Maxwell's equations through empirical data analysis.
  • Others reference past advancements in computer science, suggesting that significant progress has already been made in this area, citing examples from 2009.
  • A participant questions whether current experiments involve computers generating original expressions or merely comparing results to known formulas.
  • There is a viewpoint that while computers can analyze data, they lack the interpretative context that physicists provide, which is essential for understanding the results.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the idea that computer science could become the next physics, emphasizing the distinct methodologies and thought processes of physicists compared to computer scientists.
  • One participant highlights the foundational role of physics in the development of computer science and technology.
  • Another participant acknowledges the potential of computer science and its ongoing advancements in experimental capabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the future role of computer science in physics. While some see potential for computers to conduct experiments, others argue that the interpretative role of physicists is irreplaceable, leading to an unresolved debate on the relationship between the two fields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the capabilities of future computers and the nature of scientific inquiry, which remain unresolved. The potential for computers to generate original scientific expressions is also a point of contention.

CyberShot
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Can anyone out there entertain the idea of the likelihood that sometime in the future (say, maybe 50 years or so from today) there will computers that can "conduct" physics experiments. Let's say, for example, we program a machine, with corresponding hardware apparatuses to detect a nearby magnet, record the electric and magnetic fields/potentials/etc at different points using hardware, run it through computational software and do some "best-fit" measurements to conform it to an all-encompassing equation and have the machine spit out one of Maxwell's equations? Surely, this would seem cumbersome at first, but with enough insight and trial and error, we could optimize calculations and generalize the machine to mathematically formulate other complex phenomena. This is one of the reasons that I've switched to computer science from physics, in that cs has so much potential. Has anyone heard of digital physics? Are there graduate programs in that field? Is a degree in CS enough preparation, or do you also need a physics background?
 
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Pengwuino said:

I think I heard about that somewhere. That's pretty neat, but aren't those scientists comparing it with already known formulas? I'm talking about the computer being the one in charge here, and creating truly original expressions by generalizing and molding empirical measurements. Perhaps, that's a bit bold for right now, but it's good to see that progress is being made.
 
CyberShot said:
I think I heard about that somewhere. That's pretty neat, but aren't those scientists comparing it with already known formulas? I'm talking about the computer being the one in charge here, and creating truly original expressions by generalizing and molding empirical measurements. Perhaps, that's a bit bold for right now, but it's good to see that progress is being made.

Well, of course they compare to already known formulas because we have to check to make sure it knows what it's doing. The key is they didn't tell the computer anything about Newton's laws and it popped out Newton's laws.
 
Ah damn it and here I thought I found the new path of life.
 
Computer Science was created by physics. Without physics foundation, this generation wouldn't have much technology as we do now.
 
leontd said:
Computer Science was created by physics. Without physics foundation, this generation wouldn't have much technology as we do now.

Agreed, and what's your point?
 
CyberShot said:
Can anyone out there entertain the idea of the likelihood that sometime in the future (say, maybe 50 years or so from today) there will computers that can "conduct" physics experiments. Let's say, for example, we program a machine, with corresponding hardware apparatuses to detect a nearby magnet, record the electric and magnetic fields/potentials/etc at different points using hardware, run it through computational software and do some "best-fit" measurements to conform it to an all-encompassing equation and have the machine spit out one of Maxwell's equations? Surely, this would seem cumbersome at first, but with enough insight and trial and error, we could optimize calculations and generalize the machine to mathematically formulate other complex phenomena.


This is one of the reasons that I've switched to computer science from physics, in that cs has so much potential. Has anyone heard of digital physics? Are there graduate programs in that field? Is a degree in CS enough preparation, or do you also need a physics background?

I don't think computer science will be the next physics. The domain and context of the two are so different.

Physicists think, analyze, and solve problems in a very unique way to computer scientists, and computers.

Even if a super-computer somehow magically fitted all the data to some model using advanced algorithms, it doesn't really know how to interpret it. You need physicists for that. You need context and context is not something that can be easily programmed into a computer.

Personally I think every major science has unlimited potential. There are so many unanswered questions, so many opportunities for further abstraction, and just so many opportunities for discovery and advancement.
 
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Yep, of course. Like Pengwuino showed there's already experiments done within the whelm of computer science. Obviously, as computer power increases we'll see more advanced experiments :)
 

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