Is Einstein's Theory of Relativity Flawed?

[jcsd]

ok i understand that you should be able to back up what you said but some things really back up. take perpetul motion, some people think it is impossible but the Earth is moving around the sun with no energy going into it.

The Earth doesn't need energy to keep on moving, as long as it's kinetic enrgy stays the same, all else being equal, it will move in the same way. So no energy is bieng created out of nothing (which is the basic defintion of perpetual motion). In fact the Earth's motion is changing over a long period of time.

 

[bino]

but it is always moving forever or until something else stops it

 

[bino]

if we took a whole lot of wire wrapped it round the general area that the Earth moves would that not create electricity?

 

[A 15 year old]

Why do planets move in circles around the sun? Gravity you might say. But that is not possible because *IF* in proportion the sun is not big enough to keep entire planets in orbit, in proportion to the gravitational pull on earth. Unless the sun has a huge magnetic core, which we *Think* is not possible based on theories. And if it is magnetic pull, why can't we detect such a huge force here on earth?

 

[jcsd]

Do you have justification? Do any of us? Who is to say that you are right by saying his theories are a waste of time? I'll bet if Einstien came up with the same theory you would believe it. Because of his hyped reputation you pathetic followers would believe him anyways.

Yes I have justification, infact I very rarely believe things without justifcation. I didn't say anyones theories were a waste of time, but as I said any theory wihtput justification is a waste of time, this should be obvious.

I don't know which theory you're tlaking about, but I was always try to be objective and judge a theory on it's own merits. I ceratinly disagree with a lot of Einstein's pronouncmenats on QM (infact if physics is some sort of Einbstein-cult, how do you explain the importance of QM in modern physics?).

If you think you can overthrow accepted physics without even knowing what it is, the you are sadly mistaken.

 

[jcsd]

but it is always moving forever or until something else stops it

That's the defintion of inertia, not the defitnion of perpetual motion.

 

[bino]

where do you get that the sun can't support the planets?

 

[jcsd]

if we took a whole lot of wire wrapped it round the general area that the Earth moves would that not create electricity?

It dpends very much on the wire etc, but energy is conserved. There is no cheap way to get around things like the conservation of energy.

 

[Deeviant]

Boy, you guys are geniuses. I guess that article says it all, einstein was wrong, and your right!(the article did say it did not violate einstien's rules however)

I was reading a really good science article at crackpot.com that said that everything in a science is wrong and was made up by a whole bunch of stupid, clueless people. The only thing that can save our science is people that are not trained in science at all, and indeed completely reject the idea of the scientific method. Then you guys would then tell us all how stupid we all are and enlighten us in how the universe REALLY is, WOW!

I suggest you goto crackpot.com and pick up the crusade against all of us stupid old-minded dummies who are trying to repress your genius.

 

[bino]

Per`pet´u`al
Adj. 1. perpetual - continuing forever or indefinitely

 

[A 15 year old]

Do Newtons laws apply? Not at high velocities, am I correct? Well, the Earth travels around the sun at 100,000 km per hour. Is that not high velocity? Well , it is said that Newtons laws don't apply at high velocities, or is size and proportion involved?

 

[bino]

now I am not at all saying that everything in science is wrong by any means.

 

[jcsd]

Why do planets move in circles around the sun? Gravity you might say. But that is not possible because *IF* in proportion the sun is not big enough to keep entire planets in orbit, in proportion to the gravitational pull on earth. Unless the sun has a huge magnetic core, which we *Think* is not possible based on theories. And if it is magnetic pull, why can't we detect such a huge force here on earth?

Absolute rubbish, where are you getting this from? It's hard to decipher what you actually mean, but let me assure you that as the first theory of gravity was in part designed to describe the motion in the solar system there is no conflict there.

 

[bino]

in the grand sceem of things 100,000 km per hour is not high. it is slow

 

[jcsd]

Per`pet´u`al
Adj. 1. perpetual - continuing forever or indefinitely

Yes, the term 'perpetual motion' can lead to confusion, but hre's a brief defintion:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion_machine

 

[bino]

how do you add a picture under your name? a little off subject.

 

[jcsd]

Do Newtons laws apply? Not at high velocities, am I correct? Well, the Earth travels around the sun at 100,000 km per hour. Is that not high velocity? Well , it is said that Newtons laws don't apply at high velocities, or is size and proportion involved?

Newton's laws are corrected by special relativity at high relative velocities, however in order to say any signifcant deviation from Newton's laws the relative velocities must be a signifcnt fraction of c (~300,000 km per second). 100km/h is not a significant fraction of c.

 

[quantumdude]

In accordance to the currently accepted theory, yes, it is constant. Whether if that theory is right or wrong, I am not allowed to say.

It's also according to experimental evidence.

 

[bino]

there are three types. http://www.phact.org/e/z/miltperp.htm

 

[A 15 year old]

Get a picture. Get a host to host it. Get the URL for it. Copy and paste it into the "Signature" portion in your settings.

http://imageshack.us/index2.php

 

[bino]

thanks A 15 year old. ill try later

 

[quantumdude]

ok i understand that you should be able to back up what you said but some things really back up. take perpetul motion, some people think it is impossible but the Earth is moving around the sun with no energy going into it.

The Earth will not perpetually move around the sun. Energy is constantly being lost in the form of gravitational waves.

 

[bino]

where is it at physics network?

 

[bino]

isnt gravity constant? it is pulling at the rate all the time mattering on your distance

 

[A 15 year old]

WTF, who is deleting posts?

 

[quantumdude]

Do Newtons laws apply? Not at high velocities, am I correct? Well, the Earth travels around the sun at 100,000 km per hour. Is that not high velocity? Well , it is said that Newtons laws don't apply at high velocities, or is size and proportion involved?

Yes, Newton's laws apply for macroscopic systems. It's just that we have to use relativistic versions of those laws at high speeds. Of course, the relativistic versions are correct at low speeds too.

 

[quantumdude]

WTF, who is deleting posts?

I am. Stop using Physics Forums as a crackpot chat site.