Is energy the cause of motion?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between energy and motion, exploring whether energy is the cause of motion or if motion exists independently as a brute fact. Participants examine concepts from classical physics, including kinetic and potential energy, and their implications for understanding motion.

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  • One participant argues that energy is equated with motion, citing classical physics definitions of kinetic energy and the necessity of motion to achieve work.
  • Another participant clarifies that energy can take different forms, including kinetic energy, and emphasizes that velocity is a measure of kinetic energy, not its absence.
  • A participant questions the clarity of a quote regarding classical physics' distinction between kinetic energy and another concept, seeking further explanation.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that potential energy is necessary for motion, suggesting that while potential energy facilitates motion, it does not directly cause it.
  • One participant describes personal experiences as analogies for how potential energy can influence motion, indicating that while potential energy makes motion easier, it does not compel it.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between energy and motion, with some asserting that energy is essential for motion while others argue that motion can exist independently. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Participants reference classical physics concepts but do not reach a consensus on the definitions or implications of energy and motion. The discussion includes varying interpretations of kinetic and potential energy and their roles in facilitating motion.

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Some guy is trying to tell me that energy does not cause motion, motion is just a brute fact.

Here is a quote from Hodgson:

Classical physics distinguished between the kinetic energy of a body, which can be considered as an actual energy, and which in general terms is the energy which a body is considered to have by reason of its motion.

I think that rather solidly equates motion with energy. Energy is typically described as the ability to do work.

W = Fd or W = (MA)d

In order to achieve distance you need motion.

Further in the equation, KE = .5mv^2 kinetic energy is equated with velocity. If there is no velocity, then there is no motion. And if there is velocity then there is no Kinetic Energy.

Finally, mass is equated with energy. There is a lot of energy just in one's hand but we can't get to it. Well, if we could get to it, we could get a lot of work done, that is to say, we could move mass some distance, again, motion.
 
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Well technically speaking yes , energy in many cases comes in the form of kinetic energy , in macro scale objects like planets and cars and others, or in atoms and elementary particles.
Like the temperature of a gas is the relationship to it's particles average kinetic energy , the lower the temperature the lower the energy.

you said that if there is velocity there is no kinetic energy , I believe this was just a "typo" but it is wrong , velocity of a particle or an object is it's kinetic energy which you could measure if the object or particle would crash into something like a detector.
It goes vice versa like judging the cars speed after looking at the collision damage and so.


Well mass is potential energy, it's stored in a certain state in which it is unusable for doing work but once released it can do work while it looses it's potential energy and then you have to give it back again like taking the rock and putting it up on the tree again for it to fall down and hit a target or something like that.
the spring analogy works well here as you can push a spring and then release it later while it is compressed it has a added potential energy just like a rock sitting on a tree above ground.
 
I don't understand the quote. What two things does classical physics distinguish between, kinetic energy and...?
 
unit of work.
simple.
 
There are many different guises of energy. I think the one that's confusing you is potential energy:
The conventional definition of potential energy is the stuff that is build-ed up, and required for motion. The more energy you have, the more motion can occur, and the more easily motion can be achieved. Think of it this way. If I drink a gallon of 5 hour energy (and I don't die) I have so much potential energy than little movements happen so easily, it's as if it is out of my control. So I shiver a bit. However, though it requires effort not to shiver because it is easier to make little movement than to not because the abundance of potential energy that I have gives it that ease. So Motion Requires potential energy, and potential Energy makes simple motion easy, I can still stop myself. Again potential energy doesn't cause motion, just makes it easier.
Kinetic Energy is the other way around. It is created by moving things. Potential energy usually leads to kinetic energy because of the ease given to move is from the potential, and movement creates kinetic. Skydivers can almost feel the transformation of potential to kinetic energy. But again ease isn't the same as forcing something to happen.
 
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