Is every smooth simple closed curve a smooth embedding of the circle?

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The discussion revolves around whether every smooth simple closed curve can be considered a smooth embedding of the unit circle \( S^1 \) within a smooth manifold \( M \). Participants explore the implications of smoothness, immersion, and the topology of curves, with a focus on differential geometry and the properties of embeddings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if a smooth curve \( \gamma \) is an immersion and its restriction \( \hat{\gamma} \) is injective, then \( \gamma([0,1]) \) should be a smooth embedding of \( S^1 \), but struggles to prove this.
  • Another participant suggests using two coordinate charts and transition functions to address the covering of the circle.
  • A different viewpoint argues that while \( \gamma([0,1]) \) is homeomorphic to \( S^1 \), it may not be smoothly embedded due to potential cusps at \( \gamma(0) \).
  • One participant acknowledges forgetting the smoothness aspect and confirms the earlier argument about the embedding.
  • Another participant reformulates the problem to consider a smooth periodic curve, suggesting that this approach could resolve the smoothness issue by ensuring differentiability at the endpoints.
  • A later reply confirms that requiring \( \dot{\gamma}(1) = \dot{\gamma}(0) \) is a valid condition for smoothness in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of smoothness for the embedding, with some asserting that smoothness is not guaranteed, while others propose conditions under which smoothness can be achieved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general case.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for cusps in curves and the need for careful treatment of differentiability at the endpoints of the interval. The discussion also highlights the complexity of covering spaces and the requirements for smooth embeddings.

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Suppose I have a smooth curve \gamma:[0,1] \to M, where M is a smooth m-dimensional manifold such that \gamma(0) = \gamma(1), and \hat{\gamma}:=\gamma|_{[0,1)} is an injection. Suppose further that \gamma is an immersion; i.e., the pushforward \gamma_* is injective at every t\in [0,1].

Claim: The image set \gamma([0,1]) is a smooth embedding of the unit circle S^1.

This seems intuitively obvious to me -- I can "bend and stretch" a circle into any "nice" closed curve (and vice versa). However, I'm having trouble proving this, even for the special case where M=\mathbb{R}^n.

Here is how I've been approaching this: If \beta:[0,1]\to \mathbb{R}^2 is a smooth parametrization of the unit circle such that \hat{\beta}:=\beta|_{[0,1)} is an injection, \beta(0) = \beta(1), \dot{\beta}(t) \not = 0 for all t, and \beta([0,1]) = \hat{\beta}([0,1)) = S^1, then \hat{\beta}^{-1}:S^1 \to [0,1) and \alpha \circ \hat{\beta}^{-1}:S^1 \to C where C:= \gamma([0,1]). It seems that if I can show that \alpha \circ \hat{\beta}^{-1} is smooth with an everywhere-injective pushforward, I'd be done. However, I can't figure out how to do this as \hat{\beta}^{-1} isn't even continuous, so I don't think it is differentiable.

Any ideas? I feel like I'm missing something obvious. What little differential geometry (and topology) I know is self-taught, so maybe there is a standard trick I haven't learned.
 
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It looks like you're running up against the fact that the circle can't be covered by a single coordinate chart. Try using two maps, that each map an open interval into M, together with a pair of transition functions that describe how the portions of the circle should be glued together.
 
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Maybe you can argue that ## \gamma (0)= \gamma(1) :[0,1] \rightarrow M ## , that your map is a map from a quotient ##[0,1]/~ ; 0~1 ## which is homeo to ## S^1 ##. Since you have a continuous injection, the map is a bijection into its image, and it is a bijection between compact space and Hausdorff space, which is an embedding.
 
I think the result is false. Certainly the image ##\gamma([0,1])## will be homeomorphic to the circle ##S^1##, but smoothness fails.

The reason is that you have no guarantee of smoothness in ##\gamma(0)##. The curve ##\gamma## might have a cusp in ##\gamma(0)## which means it won't be a smooth embedding of the unit circle into ##M##.

Consider for example the cardioid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardioid which is given by

cardioid.gif


I think it satisfies all the requirements in the OP but it is not the smooth embedding of ##S^1## in ##\mathbb{R}^2## because of the cusp in the origin.
 
Yes, I forgot the smoothness part and just proved the part about the map being an embedding.
 
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WWGD said:
Yes, I forgot the smoothness part and just proved the part about the map being an embedding.

Your argument is a really nice one. It can actually be used to prove the smooth case. Not the smooth case like the OP formulates it, but if you reformulate it a bit to let ##\gamma:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow M## be a smooth periodic curve with period ##1## which is injective at ##[0,1)## and such that ##\gamma_*## is injective.

Then you can consider the quotient manifold ##\mathbb{R}/\mathbb{Z}## which is just quotienting out with respect to the Lie group ##\mathbb{Z}##. This is diffeomorphic to the circle ##S^1##. Then your argument can be generalized to this case.
 
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Thanks everyone!

micromass said:
Your argument is a really nice one. It can actually be used to prove the smooth case. Not the smooth case like the OP formulates it, but if you reformulate it a bit to let ##\gamma:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow M## be a smooth periodic curve with period ##1## which is injective at ##[0,1)## and such that ##\gamma_*## is injective.

Then you can consider the quotient manifold ##\mathbb{R}/\mathbb{Z}## which is just quotienting out with respect to the Lie group ##\mathbb{Z}##. This is diffeomorphic to the circle ##S^1##. Then your argument can be generalized to this case.

I'm not very comfortable with Lie groups yet, but I think I understand what you're saying. Basically, I just need to require that \dot{\gamma}(1) = \dot{\gamma}(0), right? It sounds like requiring the curve to be a periodic function ensures this, and eliminates the issues of differentiability at the endpoints of ##[0,1]##.
 
Only a Mirage said:
I'm not very comfortable with Lie groups yet, but I think I understand what you're saying. Basically, I just need to require that \dot{\gamma}(1) = \dot{\gamma}(0), right? It sounds like requiring the curve to be a periodic function ensures this, and eliminates the issues of differentiability at the endpoints of ##[0,1]##.

Yes, exactly right.
 
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That was very helpful. Thank you!
 

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