Is gravity just electromagnetism?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the proposition that gravity might be a weaker form of electromagnetic attraction, particularly in the context of elementary particles having intrinsic magnetism. Participants explore the compatibility of this idea with existing theories and its validity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that gravity could be a weaker form of electromagnetic attraction due to the intrinsic magnetism of elementary particles, but later questions the validity of this idea.
  • Another participant asserts that the initial idea does not hold up and categorizes it as "crackpottery."
  • A third participant advises caution against trusting random blogs, emphasizing that many unconventional ideas exist online.
  • A later reply mentions that the notion of gravity as a side-effect of electromagnetism was previously discussed but dismissed, noting that while both theories can be combined in a classical field theory, they fundamentally represent different concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the initial proposition, with some categorizing it as unfounded and others emphasizing the need for skepticism towards unconventional ideas. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the compatibility of gravity and electromagnetism.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of gravity and electromagnetism, as well as the historical context of previous discussions on the topic that were dismissed without detailed exploration in this thread.

Yashbhatt
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Recently, I was pondering over the thought that is most of the elementary particles have intrinsic magnetism, then can gravity be just a weaker form of electromagnetic attraction? But decided the idea was silly.

But I googled it later and found this article
[removed link to crackpot website - mfb].

Is this idea really compatible with other theories as the article mentions? Is there any chance of this proposition being true?
 
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Yashbhatt said:
Recently, I was pondering over the thought that is most of the elementary particles have intrinsic magnetism, then can gravity be just a weaker form of electromagnetic attraction? But decided the idea was silly.
You came to the correct conclusion. There's nothing wrong with considering any possibility, as long as you reject the ones that don't pan out - and this is one that doesn't pan out.

But I googled it later and found this article
[removed link to crackpot website - mfb].

Is this idea really compatible with other theories as the article mentions? Is there any chance of this proposition being true?
It's crackpottery.
 
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Do not trust any random blog you find on the internet...there is a blog for every random idea anyone has ever had out there...
 
Matterwave said:
Do not trust any random blog you find on the internet...there is a blog for every random idea anyone has ever had out there...
This.

Gravity as a side-effect of electromagnetism was discussed ~100 years ago but quickly dismissed because it just does not work.
It is possible to combine both theories in a classical field theory, but even there they are different things.
 

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