Is Intersection Distributive Over Subspace Sum in Linear Algebra?

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The discussion revolves around properties of vector spaces and subspaces in linear algebra, specifically examining the distributive nature of intersection over subspace sums and conditions for equality of subspaces.

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  • Participants explore the validity of two statements regarding subspaces, considering methods for proving set equality and the implications of finite versus infinite dimensional spaces.

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Several participants have offered insights into proving the statements, with some suggesting the use of counterexamples. There is ongoing exploration of specific examples to test the validity of the claims, and participants are questioning the assumptions related to dimensionality.

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Concerns have been raised about the implications of working with infinite dimensional vector spaces, and participants are considering how this affects their proofs and examples.

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Suppose V is a vector space over R and U_1, U_2, W are subspaces of V.

Prove or contradict:

1. W \cap (U_1+U_2) = (W \cap U_1)+(W \cap U_2)
2. If\ U_1 \oplus W = U_2 \oplus W\ then\ U_1=U_2

I'm not sure how to approach this problem, and will appreciate any guidance.
Thanks!

(For the first one I had an idea to use theorem which links between dimension and subspaces equivalence, but both sides of the equation are to complex)
 
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If you want to prove two subspaces are equal to each other, it's usually done the same as any time you want to prove two sets are equal: Show that each subspace is contained inside the other. For example, if v\in W\cap(U_1 + U_2) can you prove that v\in (W\cap U_1) + (W\cap U_2)? That and showing the reverse would give you that 1 is true.

I'm not claiming this is true though, I haven't checked whether 1 is true. Whenever you have a problem that asks to 'prove or contradict', it's usually a good idea to try to make a couple of examples first; either you'll get a counterexample and you'll be done or you'll be able to get some intuition for why the statement is true that might help when making the general proof
 
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If you want to prove two subspaces are equal to each other, it's usually done the same as any time you want to prove two sets are equal: Show that each subspace is contained inside the other. For example, if v\in W\cap(U_1 + U_2) can you prove that v\in (W\cap U_1) + (W\cap U_2)? That and showing the reverse would give you that 1 is true.

I'm not claiming this is true though, I haven't checked whether 1 is true. Whenever you have a problem that asks to 'prove or contradict', it's usually a good idea to try to make a couple of examples first; either you'll get a counterexample and you'll be done or you'll be able to get some intuition for why the statement is true that might help when making the general proof

Thanks for the quick response!
I actually tried to show bi-directional contain, but the fact that V is not necessarily finite dimensional made me uncomfortable. Don't I have to worry about that?
 
You should only worry about it if you're going to pick a basis, or apply a theorem that only holds for finite dimensional vector spaces (like rank nullity). You shouldn't have to do that though.

Have you tried coming up with some examples for these? For 1), just pick a vector space like R2 and a couple of one dimensional vector subspaces and see what happens
 
I think I have contra-example for 1:

W=Sp\{(1,0),(0,1)\}\ ,U_1=Sp\{(1,0)\}\ ,U_2=Sp\{(1,1)\}

Then: R^2=W\cap(U_1+U_2)=(W \cap U_1) + (W \cap U_2)=<not\ sure\ how\ to\ prove\ this\, for\ now\only\ based\ on\ intuition>=Sp(\{1,0\})

What do you think?
 
In your example W\cap U_1=U_1 and W \cap U_2=U_2 so the right hand side is also the plane. Having U_1 and U_2 span the plane is a good idea, but W needs to be refined
 
W=Sp\{(1,0)\}, U_1= Sp\{(1,1)\}, U_2= Sp\{(3,1)\}

Then: R^2=W\cap(U_1+U_2)=(W \cap U_1) + (W \cap U_2)=Sp(\{0,0\})=Sp\{0\}

It seems to contradict 2 also, am I right this time? (Set operations confuse me when applied on vector spaces)
 
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W\cap(U_1+U_2)=W, not R2, but other than that it's a good example. You can use what you have there to give a counterexample for 2, but you haven't said yet how it does so
 
W=Sp\{(1,0)\}, U_1= Sp\{(1,1)\}, U_2= Sp\{(3,1)\}

(*1)\ U_1+W = U_2+W
(*2)\ U_1 \cap W= (0,0,0) <Should I prove such things, or it's ok to leave it in this way?>
(*3)\ U_2 \cap W= (0,0,0)

From (*1) and (*2) and (*3) U_1 \oplus W = U_2 \oplus W is valid, but U_1 \neq U_2
 
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