Is it possible for two waves travelling at different speeds

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of two waves traveling at different speeds being in phase, exploring the implications for interference patterns and phase relationships. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding wave behavior in different media.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that two waves can be in phase at their origin, but the phase difference will vary elsewhere.
  • Others argue that the interference pattern at a detector will change over time due to the non-constant phase difference between the waves.
  • One participant suggests that constant bright and dark fringes occur only when waves travel at the same speed, while another counters that stable patterns of amplitude do not require equal wave speeds.
  • There is a suggestion that a stable interference pattern can arise from standing waves in a dispersive medium, where different frequencies travel at different speeds.
  • A later reply questions the clarity of the original question, indicating that the specification of the problem needs to be tightened, particularly regarding the dimensionality of the wave paths.
  • It is noted that waves can only be in phase if they share the same frequency; otherwise, the relative phases will change over time.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of wave speed on phase relationships and interference patterns, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Some limitations include the ambiguity in the original question regarding the dimensionality of the waves and the need for clearer specifications about the conditions under which the waves are considered.

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Is it possible for two waves traveling at different speeds to be in phase? Why?
 
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You can imagine two waves that are in phase at the point where they originate. But everywhere else the phases will have a non-constant difference.
 
BvU said:
You can imagine two waves that are in phase at the point where they originate. But everywhere else the phases will have a non-constant difference.
Does this means at the detector, the interference pattern will keep changing?
 
Yes. You can write down the amplitude at the detector for each of the contributing waves (##\ \ A(x,t) = A_0 \; cos(\omega t - kx)\ \ ##) and see they have a difference that depends on time.
 
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BvU said:
Yes. You can write down the amplitude at the detector for each of the contributing waves (##A(x,t) = A_0 = cos(\omega t - kx)##) and see they have a difference that depends on time.
Ohh, ryt, thanks. Its starting to make sense now, my last question is that the constant bright and dark fringes are for waves at the same speed only?
 
My telepathic capabilities are rather limited :smile:. What fringes ?
 
LSMOG said:
Ohh, ryt, thanks. Its starting to make sense now, my last question is that the constant bright and dark fringes are for waves at the same speed only?
You only see bright and dark fringes when your waves are light waves (because brightness and darkness are about light intensity) and light waves all travel at the same speed, so the question as asked doesn't make sense.

However, if you are asking about a stable pattern of high and low amplitudes at various points in space... No, such patterns do not require that the waves all travel at the same speed. A superposition of standing waves of different frequencies in a dispersive medium ("dispersive" just means that the speed is different for different frequencies, and a standing wave is a superposition of left-moving and right-moving traveling waves) will do the trick.
 
LSMOG said:
Is it possible for two waves traveling at different speeds to be in phase? Why?

This question is not detailed enough to be sure what you want to know. You need to tighten up your specification of the problem. Are we dealing with two waves on two, one dimensional paths (e.g. two wires) or two waves, traveling in space, with three dimensional wave fronts?
The waves can only be in phase if they are the same frequency. (I presume that is what you assume.) If they are traveling at different speeds (two paths in different media, I presume) their phase relationship will remain constant at any particular point and any interference pattern (in phase regions and anti phase regions etc.) will remain stationary.
If the two waves are not of the same frequency then the relative phases will be changing at a rate governed by the frequency difference and the locations of the maxes and mins will march along rather than staying stationary.
Can you draw a diagram to support your particular query?
 

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