Is it possible to create a lamp that shines darkness?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of creating a lamp that emits "darkness," exploring theoretical and speculative ideas about manipulating light and its absence. Participants consider various scientific principles, potential applications, and the feasibility of such a device within the known laws of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of "dark photons" that could annihilate light, creating darkness, but acknowledges challenges related to photon properties and energy conservation.
  • A modified idea suggests using particles or quasiparticles to convert visible light into infrared radiation, potentially creating a dimming effect, though concerns about radiation hazards are raised.
  • Another participant humorously mentions using photon nullifiers, implying a fictional or humorous take on the concept.
  • A suggestion is made to create mini black holes using a small version of the LHC to absorb light, though this is presented in a lighthearted manner.
  • One participant questions the application of noise-canceling principles to electromagnetic waves, suggesting that such methods may not be feasible for light due to its propagation speed.
  • Another participant raises a question about the existence of "dark spots" in double slit interference patterns, indicating an interest in experimental physics.
  • A mention of converting photons to axions is introduced, referencing theoretical physics without further elaboration.
  • One participant asserts that discussions of science fiction concepts are not welcome in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of speculative ideas and humorous suggestions, with no clear consensus on the feasibility or safety of creating a "dark emitter." The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

Some ideas presented depend on speculative interpretations of physics, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the safety and practicality of proposed methods.

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Since 7, I always have a weird idea in mind
As light can be in any colors, then why not black

Later at 15, I understand that black = absence of (visible) light (photons)
but would it be cool if we have a lamp that shines darkness?

I once have discussed this idea with my physics teacher before.
Original idea: Something that acts like light (I'll call them Dark photons), that is the opposite of light, when the two collide, they aniliate each other, rendering the result area dark, so it'll look like a lamp that project darkness

but my physics teacher said this does not work as
1. The antiparticle of photon is itself
2. It violates the conservation of energy

Instead he modified my idea a bit and propose a new proposal
New idea: Instead of acting like EM waves, why not have a stream of particles (or even quasiparticles) that radiated from a source in all directions which converts all visible photons that collided with them into IR (simply like a frequency modifier), as IR is invisible to humans, it can produce the same dimming effect. He also think the dark emitters, if possible can have a wide variety of applications

At that moment i thought it'll be a good idea, but after some careful thoughts, i think it (the new idea) 'll pose radiation hazard to organisms (e.g. overheating, Sunburns etc.) (including humans)

Guys what do you think of it and is it possible to produce a dark emitter that is safe, using known laws of physics?
 
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Actually, photon nullifiers have been around for a while. I have a couple in my back yard with a hammock strung up between them.
 
Secret said:
Guys what do you think of it and is it possible to produce a dark emitter that is safe, using known laws of physics?

Yes turn off the lights.
 
build a small version of the LHC and put it on a lamp post. when you flick the switch all the mini black holes it creates will suck in nearby light (just don't walk too close)
 
Well, what would happen if you used noise canceling principles and superposition on electromagnetic waves in the frequency of visible light?
 
Pythagorean said:
Well, what would happen if you used noise canceling principles and superposition on electromagnetic waves in the frequency of visible light?

I think noise canceling only works because electrical signals can propagate much faster than sound waves. You couldn't cancel light, because you couldn't anticipate it in time to do anything about it.
 
Are there any "dark spots" in the double slit interference pattern?
 
Photon can be converted to axion, according to some theories.
 
We don't discuss scifi as a possibility.

Secret, you are aware of this from your feedback thread.
 

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