Is it possible to fuse more than two atoms at once?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the possibility of fusing more than two atoms simultaneously, exploring theoretical and practical aspects of atomic fusion in various contexts, including astrophysical processes and manmade systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while most discussions focus on the fusion of two atoms, there are instances, such as in the sun, where many atoms fuse simultaneously.
  • One participant suggests that fusing three or more atoms is theoretically possible but highly unlikely due to the precise conditions required for fusion.
  • Another participant mentions the triple alpha process as a common example of three atoms fusing, though clarifies that the timescale for such fusion is extremely short, making it a complex process.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of achieving the necessary pressures and densities for the triple alpha process in manmade systems.
  • Some participants discuss the instability of helium-2 and its implications for the fusion of two protons, noting that while it may have been observed, it remains a rare occurrence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and likelihood of fusing more than two atoms at once, with no consensus reached on the practicality of such processes in manmade systems versus natural astrophysical conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the conditions required for fusion, the timescales involved, and the instability of certain isotopes, which may affect the understanding of multi-atom fusion processes.

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I'm writing a paper for my teacher, not an assignment, just because I was interested in the topic. I've searched a lot of websites, but most only talk about fusing two atoms, and not saying if it is possible to fuse more than two at the same time.
 
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Anastasiagrace said:
I'm writing a paper for my teacher, not an assignment, just because I was interested in the topic. I've searched a lot of websites, but most only talk about fusing two atoms, and not saying if it is possible to fuse more than two at the same time.
Can you be more specific? The sun certainly fuses many atoms at the same time. Mankind had only fused atoms in H-bombs so far. (Maybe a few single ones in labs). There are surely many atoms fusing at the same time during the detonation.
 
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I think the OP means can it possible for three or more atoms to fuse into something instead of just two.
I think that is possible but very unlikely, because the circumstances for just two atoms fusing have to be exactly right.
For the circumstances to be right so that three atoms fuse is possible I think, but is a very low probability and almost certainly not a situation which could be easily engineered.
 
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Fusing 3 atoms is very common and vital, for some definition of "at the same time". Triple alpha. For some definition of "at the same time", because the half-life of Be-8 is in the region of 10-16 s, not in the strong interaction timescale of 10-22 s.
 
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To extend the explanation: As snorkack noted, the timescale of fusion processes is incredibly short, like 10-22 seconds. And nuclei are extremely small, of the order of 10-15 meters. The probability that three nuclei come together at the same place and the same time (within those scales) is negligible. It would require conditions that lead to rapid (2-nuclei) fusion or even disintegration of the nuclei long before three-nuclei fusion would become relevant.
The triple alpha process has relaxed conditions as the intermediate Be-8 has some reasonable lifetime, but it still needs very high temperatures and densities to occur.
 
Astronuc said:
The triple alpha process requires pressures or densities that we cannot achieve in manmade systems.
Two protons have never been observed to fuse either.
 
Two protons have never been observed to fuse either.

Helium-2 which consists of two fused protons is a very unstable isotype of helium with a short half life, but it has probably been observed on multiple occasions and has also been inferred from the chemical makeup of stars, which would be different if this possibility were not considered. While it is observed in the decays of heavier atoms, the fusion of two protons is an intermediate step in its formation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_helium#Helium-2_.28diproton.29
 

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